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>so the hatred survived very intact through the entire Soviet era. where is your evidence that this hatred predates the Soviet era? I live in ex-Yugoslavia wh

>so the hatred survived very intact through the entire Soviet era. where is your evidence that this hatred predates the Soviet era? I live in ex-Yugoslavia where myths(perceived from outside) of "ancient ethnic hatred" are pervasive, while in reality they cannot be traced earlier then the 20th century. The peoples here yearned for a united country of the south slavs (Jugoslavia) for centuries, then started killing each other within a few decades of forming that country for quite prosaic reasons mostly related to personal liberties and dividing state incomes and expenses I doesn't take ancient ethnic hatred to start a war, scarce water or land resource will do it just as well, and it will create enough "new ethnic hatred" to last a century

impossiblefork 4y ago
Anti-christian pogroms, both against Armenians and Greeks are a major thing through the Ottoman empire. At least these (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamidian_massacres https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamidian_massacres) are pre-1900. However, there's certainly a more well-established hatred of Christians than a specific hatred of Armenians; and I think the Armenians were first hated because they were Christians, and then later on hated because they were Armenians.
samastur 4y ago
Overall I agree with your points, but not specifics. Pan-slavic movement for south slavs was really a mid-19th century development as far as not being limited to singular figures and even then it is questionable how popular it was. I also disagree with reasons given for killings in early 90s because it both trivialises the reasons for internal tensions and completely ignores the question why you had plenty of ethnic violence "already" in WW2.
qwytw 4y ago
> where is your evidence that this hatred predates the Soviet era? Really? You actually have to ask that question when talking about the relations between Christians and Muslims in this region? - Hamidian massacres (1894) - Armenian–Tatar massacres (1905-1907) - Adana massacre (1909) - Armenian genocide (1914–1923) - September Days (1918) - Khaibalikend massacre (1919) - Destruction of Armenian part of Shusha (1920) Preceding that you also have the Russian conquests in the Caucasus during the first half of the 19th century. The Circassians (amongst other groups) who survived the genocide and settled in the Ottoman probably probably weren't particularly fond of Christians either.

impossiblefork 4y ago

Anti-christian pogroms, both against Armenians and Greeks are a major thing through the Ottoman empire. At least these (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamidian_massacres https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamidian_massacres) are pre-1900. However, there's certainly a more well-established hatred of Christians than a specific hatred of Armenians; and I think the Armenians were first hated because they were Christians, and then later on hated because they were Armenians.

samastur 4y ago

Overall I agree with your points, but not specifics. Pan-slavic movement for south slavs was really a mid-19th century development as far as not being limited to singular figures and even then it is questionable how popular it was. I also disagree with reasons given for killings in early 90s because it both trivialises the reasons for internal tensions and completely ignores the question why you had plenty of ethnic violence "already" in WW2.

qwytw 4y ago

> where is your evidence that this hatred predates the Soviet era? Really? You actually have to ask that question when talking about the relations between Christians and Muslims in this region? - Hamidian massacres (1894) - Armenian–Tatar massacres (1905-1907) - Adana massacre (1909) - Armenian genocide (1914–1923) - September Days (1918) - Khaibalikend massacre (1919) - Destruction of Armenian part of Shusha (1920) Preceding that you also have the Russian conquests in the Caucasus during the first half of the 19th century. The Circassians (amongst other groups) who survived the genocide and settled in the Ottoman probably probably weren't particularly fond of Christians either.