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It's not just the word liberal, which means something different for most Americans than its meaning in other countries. In Australia, the Liberal party is the c
by mhneu 4y ago
It's not just the word liberal, which means something different for most Americans than its meaning in other countries. In Australia, the Liberal party is the conservatives who are allied with Murdoch.
The word "neoliberal" is also a problem.
It is used negatively and aimed at a broad swath of center-left to center-right.
But in other countries, the people called "neoliberals" would be understood to be conservatives.
Instead of using "n*liberals", we should be calling them "conservatives". Larry Summers, for example, is a conservative.
- thrown_22 4y ago[flagged]
- SamBam 4y agoThis is a completely mistaken use of the word "neoliberal." Neoliberalism refers to a worldview that thinks in terms of market-oriented policies, global trade, privatization, etc. You thinking it has something to do with wokism or OK symbols is a perfect example of the word being used incorrectly.
- thrown_22 4y ago[flagged]
- Anthony-G 4y agoCorrect. I don’t understand why you’re being down-voted for stating something that’s so incontrovertible. Neo-liberalism is an economic philosophy that aims to turn back the clock on Keynesian (or New Deal for the other side of the Atlantic) policies and return to “laissez-faire” capitalism of the 19th Century. It’s orthogonal to social liberalism (or “wokism”), i.e., one could be an advocate of privatisation of state services and just as easily be socially conservative or socially liberal.
- rr888 4y agoI'm really not sure who you're talking about now. Sounds like Russian BS. Do you have a source for any of these three things? > were pushing for the OK sign to be classified as a hate symbol used by secret Nazis > Ukraine having 20% of it's army wear literal swastikas > Today they argue that [Ukraine swastikas] isn't that bad.
- thrown_22 4y ago> were pushing for the OK sign to be classified as a hate symbol used by secret Nazis https://www.npr.org/2019/09/26/764728163/the-ok-hand-gesture-is-now-listed-as-a-symbol-of-hate https://www.npr.org/2019/09/26/764728163/the-ok-hand-gesture... > Today they argue that Ukraine having 20% of it's army wear literal swastikas https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/ukraine-turns-a-blind-eye-to-ultrarightist-militia/2017/02/12/dbf9ea3c-ecab-11e6-b4ff-ac2cf509efe5_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/ukraine-turns-a-... > Today they argue that [Ukraine swastikas] isn't that bad. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32868328 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32868328
- quantified 4y agoFirst, "neoliberals" aren't supporting any of this. Second, your facts are wrong. The ok sign stuff was some very sensitive people pushed by foreign propaganda. Militias aren't the army. That's why they're militias. Like calling the Wagner Group the Russian Army.
- rr888 4y agoThanks for replying, some of the assertions didn't seem right now I see where you come from. I didn't classify ADL as neo-con. The Wapo article does say there are a few thousand far right soldiers, which I think is well known, it certainly isn't 20% of its army. The last quote is post on HN, which I dont think is proof of any official neo-con policy.
- 1123581321 4y agoThat user had said neoliberal, not neocon.
- eternalban 4y agoWe should start using descriptive names. It is hard to confuse just who are the "money decides and confers authority" party from the "not everything is about money" party to "god speaks to me and says this is how you do it" party. Also those donkeys and elephants are pretty ambiguous as well. How about snakes and scorpions? Isn't that more descriptive?