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Adobe has a long, well documented history of screwing their users, e.g. with their switch to this stupid Creative Cloud bullshit. It's just natural and common

Adobe has a long, well documented history of screwing their users, e.g. with their switch to this stupid Creative Cloud bullshit. It's just natural and common sense to look for alternatives if you rely on Figma and don't trust them to be a viable product in the hands of Adobe.

marban 4y ago
Adobe changed/is going to change a lot for the better under Scott Belsky.
- psygn89 4y ago
  Any supporting articles that would ease minds?
panzagl 4y ago
So Adobe screwed their users by making them switch to a subscription model like Figma has used from day one?
- psweber 4y ago
  Until you need a team, Figma is free.
  - jillesvangurp 4y ago
    For now.
- behnamoh 4y ago
  This is HN, where developers diss companies’ decisions while they would do the same. It’s actually kinda hypocritical tbh.
  - aikinai 4y ago
    It’s not hypocritical. Most of the comments I saw in the initial thread clearly supported both angles. “Wow that sucks, but huge congrats to the team!” Looks to me like most people acknowledge that it’s great and natural for the company but just feel distraught by the implication for users.
- the_mar 4y ago
  What? Figma is free for personal use. I have no problem paying a subscription fee for a corporate account. Having to fork over $100 a month to adobe for personal use is ridiculous. Problem with adobe there was never a free tier
  - panzagl 4y ago
    If you're not the customer you're the product. Figma just cashed you out.
    - the_mar 4y ago
      Ok cool. Still better than forking over 100s of dollars a month for CC
      - TylerE 4y ago
        If you're paying hundreds, you're getting ripped off. The full CC suite is $55/month
        skyyler 4y ago
        But that's not the point. The point is that we dislike Adobe and we don't want to deal with them in any context.
        TylerE 4y ago
        So feels not reals?
        the_mar 4y ago
        No the point is that adobe has shitty business practices and their software is also bloated and crappy and has done fuck all to make my life as a designer easier in the past decade. The fact that overwhelming amount of designers switched over to figma in the past few years, proves that how people feel about adobe is very real. Personally I am never thrilled to switch software and endure initial period of relearning how to do my job in a new tool unless there are measurable advantages. I ve used adobe products since the age of 12 and not having to install their crappy software on any computer since 2019 has been liberating af

marban 4y ago

Adobe changed/is going to change a lot for the better under Scott Belsky.

psygn89 4y ago
Any supporting articles that would ease minds?

panzagl 4y ago

So Adobe screwed their users by making them switch to a subscription model like Figma has used from day one?

psweber 4y ago
Until you need a team, Figma is free.
- jillesvangurp 4y ago
  For now.
behnamoh 4y ago
This is HN, where developers diss companies’ decisions while they would do the same. It’s actually kinda hypocritical tbh.
- aikinai 4y ago
  It’s not hypocritical. Most of the comments I saw in the initial thread clearly supported both angles. “Wow that sucks, but huge congrats to the team!” Looks to me like most people acknowledge that it’s great and natural for the company but just feel distraught by the implication for users.
the_mar 4y ago
What? Figma is free for personal use. I have no problem paying a subscription fee for a corporate account. Having to fork over $100 a month to adobe for personal use is ridiculous. Problem with adobe there was never a free tier
- panzagl 4y ago
  If you're not the customer you're the product. Figma just cashed you out.
  - the_mar 4y ago
    Ok cool. Still better than forking over 100s of dollars a month for CC
    - TylerE 4y ago
      If you're paying hundreds, you're getting ripped off. The full CC suite is $55/month
      - skyyler 4y ago
        But that's not the point. The point is that we dislike Adobe and we don't want to deal with them in any context.
        TylerE 4y ago
        So feels not reals?
        the_mar 4y ago
        No the point is that adobe has shitty business practices and their software is also bloated and crappy and has done fuck all to make my life as a designer easier in the past decade. The fact that overwhelming amount of designers switched over to figma in the past few years, proves that how people feel about adobe is very real. Personally I am never thrilled to switch software and endure initial period of relearning how to do my job in a new tool unless there are measurable advantages. I ve used adobe products since the age of 12 and not having to install their crappy software on any computer since 2019 has been liberating af