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There's no such thing as consent when you're coerced.

eropple 4y ago
My poor, so-very-put-upon friend: you can choose to leave. But there is a collectively hashed-out social contract you accept by staying, and it should be of no surprise that the law takes that contract as table stakes and acts according to it.
- mr_spothawk 4y ago
  Tell it to Rosa Parks.
  - woodruffw 4y ago
    At which point did Rosa Parks transfer her money using an immutable public ledger? Comparing your financial scheme to Jim Crow isn't the most distasteful thing I've seen on HN, but it's up there!
    - mr_spothawk 4y ago
      > your financial scheme It's not my financial scheme, it's the social contract.
      - eropple 4y ago
        Rosa Parks publicly broke the law and was publicly punished for it, because that's how civil disobedience works. In doing so, she engendered significant public sympathy and acted as a spur to change minds and, eventually, laws. Comparing that to hiding your financial transactions so you avoid KYC is genuinely embarrassing.
- orangepurple 4y ago
  US Citizens can't leave. They must pay tribute to the United States globally and beyond until they die. Income earned in outer space is taxed as income earned in country.
  - eropple 4y ago
    Yeah, that's the price of retaining your American citizenship, which is among the most valuable in the world to have if you ever have a "I need to call my consulate" problem. But you don't have to retain your American citizenship--there are a lot of countries out there! Granted, that's assuming you're a valuable enough contributor to society that you'll find another country interested in taking you, one that won't similarly have expectations around "people in a society should pay taxes", but that's a you problem.
    - pyuser583 4y ago
      It’s really hard to get rid of American citizenship.
      - devoutsalsa 4y ago
        It's not that tough. You just need another citizenship, $2_350 to pay the renouncement fee, and an appointment at a USA consulate/embassy to formally renounce. You also need to pay an exit tax if you have a net worth of $2 million+.
  - zeusk 4y ago
    But they can? You can always give up your citizenship as many have. Or you can choose to live in a country that has a tax treaty with US; either way you get to deduct local tax rate paid so you're not double taxed.

My poor, so-very-put-upon friend: you can choose to leave. But there is a collectively hashed-out social contract you accept by staying, and it should be of no surprise that the law takes that contract as table stakes and acts according to it.

mr_spothawk 4y ago
Tell it to Rosa Parks.
- woodruffw 4y ago
  At which point did Rosa Parks transfer her money using an immutable public ledger? Comparing your financial scheme to Jim Crow isn't the most distasteful thing I've seen on HN, but it's up there!
  - mr_spothawk 4y ago
    > your financial scheme It's not my financial scheme, it's the social contract.
    - eropple 4y ago
      Rosa Parks publicly broke the law and was publicly punished for it, because that's how civil disobedience works. In doing so, she engendered significant public sympathy and acted as a spur to change minds and, eventually, laws. Comparing that to hiding your financial transactions so you avoid KYC is genuinely embarrassing.
orangepurple 4y ago
US Citizens can't leave. They must pay tribute to the United States globally and beyond until they die. Income earned in outer space is taxed as income earned in country.
- eropple 4y ago
  Yeah, that's the price of retaining your American citizenship, which is among the most valuable in the world to have if you ever have a "I need to call my consulate" problem. But you don't have to retain your American citizenship--there are a lot of countries out there! Granted, that's assuming you're a valuable enough contributor to society that you'll find another country interested in taking you, one that won't similarly have expectations around "people in a society should pay taxes", but that's a you problem.
  - pyuser583 4y ago
    It’s really hard to get rid of American citizenship.
    - devoutsalsa 4y ago
      It's not that tough. You just need another citizenship, $2_350 to pay the renouncement fee, and an appointment at a USA consulate/embassy to formally renounce. You also need to pay an exit tax if you have a net worth of $2 million+.
- zeusk 4y ago
  But they can? You can always give up your citizenship as many have. Or you can choose to live in a country that has a tax treaty with US; either way you get to deduct local tax rate paid so you're not double taxed.