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I think we need to give the homeless more money, that should solve the problem.

kadabra9 4y ago
SF has spent over $3B on the homeless over the last 5 years, and the pop continues to skyrocket along with rampant crime and drug use. Money isn’t the issue, at least in this case
- MonkeyMalarky 4y ago
  The point about closing institutions because of abuse is not wrong. The solution isn't to close them and push the mentally ill out on the street, it's fix the institutions!
  - throwaway102233 4y ago
    ^ 100% agree, some mentally ill people just need to be in an institution, where they can either get the care and treatment they need - and hopefully be cured and become a functional member of society - or at least where the amount of harm they are able to cause to themselves (and society) can be minimised.
- uoaei 4y ago
  Giving money to bureaucracies whose nominal mission is to serve the homeless is not the same as giving money to the homeless.
DoreenMichele 4y ago
No. YIMBY has the better plan. We need more housing appropriate to the needs of our people. Money can't buy you what isn't being built.
- throwaway102233 4y ago
  the problem being that a large majority of the homeless in SF aren't "your people". They aren't SF locals, they move there for the benefits and the nice weather.
  - DoreenMichele 4y ago
    Yeah, I'm aware. In one of my comments here, I link to a piece I wrote with a title along the lines of "I believe California is the dumping ground for the nation's homeless." We have a nationwide shortage of affordable housing. The fact that the homeless flock to someplace temperate and relatively dry with soup kitchens and such in no way changes my point: Money cannot buy what does not exist to be bought. Anywhere in the US. We need to fix our housing supply issues. We need to fix it across the nation, not just in SF. SF is suffering disproportionately, but my point stands: Throwing money at the homeless won't fix this. The solutions they need aren't out there. They need to be built.

SF has spent over $3B on the homeless over the last 5 years, and the pop continues to skyrocket along with rampant crime and drug use. Money isn’t the issue, at least in this case

MonkeyMalarky 4y ago
The point about closing institutions because of abuse is not wrong. The solution isn't to close them and push the mentally ill out on the street, it's fix the institutions!
- throwaway102233 4y ago
  ^ 100% agree, some mentally ill people just need to be in an institution, where they can either get the care and treatment they need - and hopefully be cured and become a functional member of society - or at least where the amount of harm they are able to cause to themselves (and society) can be minimised.
uoaei 4y ago
Giving money to bureaucracies whose nominal mission is to serve the homeless is not the same as giving money to the homeless.

DoreenMichele 4y ago

No. YIMBY has the better plan. We need more housing appropriate to the needs of our people. Money can't buy you what isn't being built.

throwaway102233 4y ago
the problem being that a large majority of the homeless in SF aren't "your people". They aren't SF locals, they move there for the benefits and the nice weather.
- DoreenMichele 4y ago
  Yeah, I'm aware. In one of my comments here, I link to a piece I wrote with a title along the lines of "I believe California is the dumping ground for the nation's homeless." We have a nationwide shortage of affordable housing. The fact that the homeless flock to someplace temperate and relatively dry with soup kitchens and such in no way changes my point: Money cannot buy what does not exist to be bought. Anywhere in the US. We need to fix our housing supply issues. We need to fix it across the nation, not just in SF. SF is suffering disproportionately, but my point stands: Throwing money at the homeless won't fix this. The solutions they need aren't out there. They need to be built.