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I mean there is no art there. There is art, there is angst, in OG punk songs, and the music helps. There is no art in Bukowski's poems. His line breaks are a

by acdw 4y ago

I mean there is no art there. There is art, there is angst, in OG punk songs, and the music helps. There is no art in Bukowski's poems. His line breaks are all over the place, he's cynical and bitter, and ... that's it. That's all there is to his writing. There's no nuance, no feeling, no nothing. At least punk songs have some kind of emotional resonance, or at the very least a good hook, you know? I guess what I'm saying is that every Bukowski poem I've read reads like one I wrote in seventh grade.

coldtea 4y ago
>I mean there is no art there. There is art, there is angst, in OG punk songs, and the music helps. There is no art in Bukowski's poems. To quote art critic J. Lebowski, that is, like, your opinion, man. Both laymen and a number of literature figures and literary critics have appraised Bukowski's work. So there's that, it's not like it's some guilty pleasure or something only undiscerning crude fans appreciate... >At least punk songs have some kind of emotional resonance, or at the very least a good hook, you know? There's all kinds of emotional resonance in Bukowski's work. And I'm not great fan of him either, in fact don't even have a single book (while I have of tons of others poets of the era). Just a random pick: the flesh covers the bone and they put a mind in there and sometimes a soul, and the women break vases against the walls and the men drink too much and nobody finds the one but keep looking crawling in and out of beds. flesh covers the bone and the flesh searches for more than flesh >I guess what I'm saying is that every Bukowski poem I've read reads like one I wrote in seventh grade. Then you either overestimate your sevent grade poems, or you wrote great poems in sevent grade and should have done something with them... But, I think the more plausible idea, is that you have a different sensibility and find them beneath you, but more from a moral and/or formulaic judgement and a prejudice about how a proper poem should be... To make an easy analogy, that could be the same way a "rawk" fan can't understand electronic music, and thinks it's all rubbish, even it's Aphex Twin and not Skrillex.
- acdw 4y ago
  okay ya got me! i've read one posthumous book by bukowski and heard that one modest mouse song ... i should obviously read more because the random pick you gave is, indeed, pretty good. thanks for changing my mind :)

by acdw 4y ago

coldtea 4y ago

>I mean there is no art there. There is art, there is angst, in OG punk songs, and the music helps. There is no art in Bukowski's poems. To quote art critic J. Lebowski, that is, like, your opinion, man. Both laymen and a number of literature figures and literary critics have appraised Bukowski's work. So there's that, it's not like it's some guilty pleasure or something only undiscerning crude fans appreciate... >At least punk songs have some kind of emotional resonance, or at the very least a good hook, you know? There's all kinds of emotional resonance in Bukowski's work. And I'm not great fan of him either, in fact don't even have a single book (while I have of tons of others poets of the era). Just a random pick: the flesh covers the bone and they put a mind in there and sometimes a soul, and the women break vases against the walls and the men drink too much and nobody finds the one but keep looking crawling in and out of beds. flesh covers the bone and the flesh searches for more than flesh >I guess what I'm saying is that every Bukowski poem I've read reads like one I wrote in seventh grade. Then you either overestimate your sevent grade poems, or you wrote great poems in sevent grade and should have done something with them... But, I think the more plausible idea, is that you have a different sensibility and find them beneath you, but more from a moral and/or formulaic judgement and a prejudice about how a proper poem should be... To make an easy analogy, that could be the same way a "rawk" fan can't understand electronic music, and thinks it's all rubbish, even it's Aphex Twin and not Skrillex.

acdw 4y ago
okay ya got me! i've read one posthumous book by bukowski and heard that one modest mouse song ... i should obviously read more because the random pick you gave is, indeed, pretty good. thanks for changing my mind :)