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I salute your efforts, but even if you have experience in the field (Wiki, OSM), I'm sorry to say that your arguments are weak and overly specific. I'd be more

by vfinn 4y ago

I salute your efforts, but even if you have experience in the field (Wiki, OSM), I'm sorry to say that your arguments are weak and overly specific. I'd be more understanding if you had said working for Wikipedia/OSM isn't worth it, but to extend your "arguments" to all of Open Knowledge Movement is just too much. I find Wikipedia, the end result, extremely valuable, even though I don't know what's going on in the shadows (probably the usual, petty human affairs as you said).

PurpleRamen 4y ago
> I find Wikipedia, the end result, extremely valuable What if the value is an Illusion?
- mistermann 4y ago
  All things are illusions, all illusions are wrong, but some illusions are useful.
- vfinn 4y ago
  I use Wikipedia for navigation mostly. To take anything at face value is not a good idea, even if most of it were "probably true" / true-ish.
  - bldk 4y ago
    That is not true Well, the math section and such could be beneficial to get an overall idea of the topic until picking up a book
altilunium 4y ago
> Even though I don't know what's going on in the shadows Well. Here is my report from the shadows. Anyway, working for Wikipedia/OSM is totally worth it. As you see it by yourself, the projects are quite successful in delivering quality services to the masses. That's why I'm not advocating people to give up entirely on this "dream". Just take a short pause to ponder why are we starting this movement at the first time. I'm not alone though, this burnout phenomenon is quite a recurring endemic to any long-time contributors. Some people take a pause [1], and some people left the project entirely [2][3]. [1] : https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikistress https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikistress [2] : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Editor_Retention/Discovered_reasons_given_for_leaving_Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Editor_R... [3] : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Missing_Wikipedians https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Missing_Wikipedians
- vfinn 4y ago
  Thanks. Yeah, I don't doubt that there are problems and that it could get really hostile and difficult. I'm just unsure how unsolvable the conflicts are, and I'm not convinced that there's a fundamental flaw, such as "single definition of truth", in the world of Open Knowledge Movement (as I interpret it).

by vfinn 4y ago

PurpleRamen 4y ago

> I find Wikipedia, the end result, extremely valuable What if the value is an Illusion?

mistermann 4y ago
All things are illusions, all illusions are wrong, but some illusions are useful.
vfinn 4y ago
I use Wikipedia for navigation mostly. To take anything at face value is not a good idea, even if most of it were "probably true" / true-ish.
- bldk 4y ago
  That is not true Well, the math section and such could be beneficial to get an overall idea of the topic until picking up a book

altilunium 4y ago

> Even though I don't know what's going on in the shadows Well. Here is my report from the shadows. Anyway, working for Wikipedia/OSM is totally worth it. As you see it by yourself, the projects are quite successful in delivering quality services to the masses. That's why I'm not advocating people to give up entirely on this "dream". Just take a short pause to ponder why are we starting this movement at the first time. I'm not alone though, this burnout phenomenon is quite a recurring endemic to any long-time contributors. Some people take a pause [1], and some people left the project entirely [2][3]. [1] : https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikistress https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikistress [2] : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Editor_Retention/Discovered_reasons_given_for_leaving_Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Editor_R... [3] : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Missing_Wikipedians https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Missing_Wikipedians

vfinn 4y ago
Thanks. Yeah, I don't doubt that there are problems and that it could get really hostile and difficult. I'm just unsure how unsolvable the conflicts are, and I'm not convinced that there's a fundamental flaw, such as "single definition of truth", in the world of Open Knowledge Movement (as I interpret it).