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Nothing better than claiming the perks of "being a utility provider" while bearing none of the burdens lol If CF didn't offer free DDoS protection - ironically

Nothing better than claiming the perks of "being a utility provider" while bearing none of the burdens lol If CF didn't offer free DDoS protection - ironically, whilst providing cover & protection to the greatest # of DDoS-4-hire websites on the clear-web - they would have nothing else to offer that would be considered best-in-class But yeah, they're the preeminent force in ensuring free speech on the internet lol

_8j50 4y ago
I am all for a law compelling companies like CF to cooperate with LE and censor on behalf of the state if that is the will of the people. They are a utility provider that has not been expected by society to fund and administer a censorship operation. Go and vote if you think they should be compelled to censor.
- Hamuko 4y ago
  Unless I'm misunderstanding your idea, that sounds like it goes against the First Amendment.
  - _8j50 4y ago
    That's why I said vote. But not neccesarily, companies are not people they are not protected by the bill of rights and this is already happening when LE forcibly takeover domains to censor them with cause of course. Also, freedom of speech does not include speech made with thr intent and effect of causing demonstrable harm.
    - Hamuko 4y ago
      >That's why I said vote. Constitutional amendments are so tricky that I'm not sure if just going out to vote is gonna change anything. >Also, freedom of speech does not include speech made with thr intent and effect of causing demonstrable harm. I don't think that is a legal standard for the First Amendment. Advocacy of violence is protected speech under the First Amendment.
      - _8j50 4y ago
        States needs to ratify amendments so having enough state legislatures and laws to support the amendment is the best way. Having someone propose it at the fed level is the easy part.
  - 6c737133 4y ago
    lol plz see my reply to OP
- 6c737133 4y ago
  lol inevitably, the "muh censorship" and the "muh 1FA rights!!!" comments are always the most entertaining, and least informed comments on these subjects CF has *no power to censor anyone* Refusing to provide FREE DDoS Protection, and refusing to FREELY CACHE vitriol, are not "censorship"! Nor are either of those actions an infringement on any American's rights as defined by the 1st Amendment [friendly reminder that there are nations, other than America, in the world] Sure - CF are not content moderators ... but, neither are they "a public utility provider" ... they are, however, a *for-profit commercial enterprise*, and as such, they get to choose who they DO, or DO NOT, do business with If you think any of the sites offloaded by CF deserve the free DDoS protection and caching services CF was providing - by all means, spin up some servers and provide it to them yourself - you have that right.
  - jackson1442 4y ago
    Exactly. Providers have Freedom of Association, and I argue that everyone should have freedom _from_ being doxxed and harassed.
  - _8j50 4y ago
    I agree with some of what you said but even banning someone from say HN is censorship. It just means you prevent them from saying something, they can bypass your censorship or find a different platform but banning for the cause of restricting content is censorship even if the censored can still get services elsewhere. Also, for the utility part, neither are ISPs technically so by that it just means they want the same telco rules to apply to them.
fjfbsufhdvfy 4y ago
A lot of their services, such as R2 storage, have literally no competition.
- fjfbsufhdvfy 4y ago
  Hope the guy who down voted me enjoys paying 100-1000 times more to Amazon's egress racket!
  - markovbot 4y ago
    not the one who downvoted you, but backblaze has similar pricing: https://www.backblaze.com/b2/cloud-storage-pricing.html https://www.backblaze.com/b2/cloud-storage-pricing.html
    - trollied 4y ago
      Backblaze also has free egress to Cloudflare. Which is very cost efficient.
      - fjfbsufhdvfy 4y ago
        Using this for significant amounts of non-html content will get your account disabled. They only allow it for R2.
llama052 4y ago
I think they offer a lot of best in class services, have you used the enterprise tier or just the free tier?

_8j50 4y ago

I am all for a law compelling companies like CF to cooperate with LE and censor on behalf of the state if that is the will of the people. They are a utility provider that has not been expected by society to fund and administer a censorship operation. Go and vote if you think they should be compelled to censor.

Hamuko 4y ago
Unless I'm misunderstanding your idea, that sounds like it goes against the First Amendment.
- _8j50 4y ago
  That's why I said vote. But not neccesarily, companies are not people they are not protected by the bill of rights and this is already happening when LE forcibly takeover domains to censor them with cause of course. Also, freedom of speech does not include speech made with thr intent and effect of causing demonstrable harm.
  - Hamuko 4y ago
    >That's why I said vote. Constitutional amendments are so tricky that I'm not sure if just going out to vote is gonna change anything. >Also, freedom of speech does not include speech made with thr intent and effect of causing demonstrable harm. I don't think that is a legal standard for the First Amendment. Advocacy of violence is protected speech under the First Amendment.
    - _8j50 4y ago
      States needs to ratify amendments so having enough state legislatures and laws to support the amendment is the best way. Having someone propose it at the fed level is the easy part.
- 6c737133 4y ago
  lol plz see my reply to OP
6c737133 4y ago
lol inevitably, the "muh censorship" and the "muh 1FA rights!!!" comments are always the most entertaining, and least informed comments on these subjects CF has *no power to censor anyone* Refusing to provide FREE DDoS Protection, and refusing to FREELY CACHE vitriol, are not "censorship"! Nor are either of those actions an infringement on any American's rights as defined by the 1st Amendment [friendly reminder that there are nations, other than America, in the world] Sure - CF are not content moderators ... but, neither are they "a public utility provider" ... they are, however, a *for-profit commercial enterprise*, and as such, they get to choose who they DO, or DO NOT, do business with If you think any of the sites offloaded by CF deserve the free DDoS protection and caching services CF was providing - by all means, spin up some servers and provide it to them yourself - you have that right.
- jackson1442 4y ago
  Exactly. Providers have Freedom of Association, and I argue that everyone should have freedom _from_ being doxxed and harassed.
- _8j50 4y ago
  I agree with some of what you said but even banning someone from say HN is censorship. It just means you prevent them from saying something, they can bypass your censorship or find a different platform but banning for the cause of restricting content is censorship even if the censored can still get services elsewhere. Also, for the utility part, neither are ISPs technically so by that it just means they want the same telco rules to apply to them.

fjfbsufhdvfy 4y ago

A lot of their services, such as R2 storage, have literally no competition.

fjfbsufhdvfy 4y ago
Hope the guy who down voted me enjoys paying 100-1000 times more to Amazon's egress racket!
- markovbot 4y ago
  not the one who downvoted you, but backblaze has similar pricing: https://www.backblaze.com/b2/cloud-storage-pricing.html https://www.backblaze.com/b2/cloud-storage-pricing.html
  - trollied 4y ago
    Backblaze also has free egress to Cloudflare. Which is very cost efficient.
    - fjfbsufhdvfy 4y ago
      Using this for significant amounts of non-html content will get your account disabled. They only allow it for R2.

llama052 4y ago

I think they offer a lot of best in class services, have you used the enterprise tier or just the free tier?