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Why would a crime (especially one external to the university) be better handled by the university than the legal apparatus?

dekhn 4y ago
Because it would be better for the university to talk to and then exit misbehaving students from the school rather than throwing them to the legal system. Also you probably misunderstood what sending a message like this to the dean would accomplish.
- snovv_crash 4y ago
  These are adults, not minors. They have the rights of adults and are expected to behave like adults, and they also receive the consequences of adults. Being the members of a 40k/semester institute, whether that is a university or a country club, should not excuse you from your criminal behavior.
  - dekhn 4y ago
    I think my solution is more parsimonious, and obviously, if the dean doesn't respond you just move on to the police.
    - snovv_crash 4y ago
      If someone is a member of the local golf club, should the golf club be called to met out punishment if the member swindles some pensioners out of their savings?
    - crazygringo 4y ago
      But when someone commits a crime, we're not interested in being more parsimonious. We're interested in achieving justice. Justice which is defined by our democratically determined court system. Why do you think being parsimonious is a better objective than being just?
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- II2II 4y ago
  I'm not sure why the college would even propose such an arrangement. Do they actually want to be held accountable regarding their response to students who break the law, particularly if it is ohff campus? Do they want to deal with lawsuits from those who are shown the door? (In this case, it may have been cheaper but it sounds like it has more to do with the college administration stepping in when they should have simply told the affected students to legal aid.) The legal system is far from perfect, but it is often better than the alternative.

dekhn 4y ago

Because it would be better for the university to talk to and then exit misbehaving students from the school rather than throwing them to the legal system. Also you probably misunderstood what sending a message like this to the dean would accomplish.

snovv_crash 4y ago
These are adults, not minors. They have the rights of adults and are expected to behave like adults, and they also receive the consequences of adults. Being the members of a 40k/semester institute, whether that is a university or a country club, should not excuse you from your criminal behavior.
- dekhn 4y ago
  I think my solution is more parsimonious, and obviously, if the dean doesn't respond you just move on to the police.
  - snovv_crash 4y ago
    If someone is a member of the local golf club, should the golf club be called to met out punishment if the member swindles some pensioners out of their savings?
  - crazygringo 4y ago
    But when someone commits a crime, we're not interested in being more parsimonious. We're interested in achieving justice. Justice which is defined by our democratically determined court system. Why do you think being parsimonious is a better objective than being just?
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II2II 4y ago
I'm not sure why the college would even propose such an arrangement. Do they actually want to be held accountable regarding their response to students who break the law, particularly if it is ohff campus? Do they want to deal with lawsuits from those who are shown the door? (In this case, it may have been cheaper but it sounds like it has more to do with the college administration stepping in when they should have simply told the affected students to legal aid.) The legal system is far from perfect, but it is often better than the alternative.