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Seems like the juicero for screwdrivers... over-engineered tool that without the "LTT" branding could probably sink in the stores. Personally i like my tools r

Seems like the juicero for screwdrivers... over-engineered tool that without the "LTT" branding could probably sink in the stores. Personally i like my tools rugged, kinda like Klein does it because "on the job" i tend to thrown them away either on purpose or by accident, this tool looks fragile, if little margins stuck the ratchet mechanism i can not wait what is going to happen when it suddenly falls from the 2nd floor while installing an Access Point or Security Camera.

tmh88j 4y ago
> Seems like the juicero for screwdrivers... over-engineered tool that without the "LTT" branding could probably sink in the stores. I haven't used one so I don't know how durable they are, but I got the opposite impression. The juicero served no purpose. If you don't need a multi-purpose screwdriver that's one thing, but it does have plenty of use-cases and there are a lot of competitors which they showed so they are in demand to some extent. I'd say their attempt is more akin to Snap-on with how much energy they seemed to focus on ergonomics and UX, especially the ratcheting mechanism.
- hotcoffeebear 4y ago
  Plus, it’s probably for computer builders and stuff (like ikea things or similar). I don’t think those meant for heavy duty or home building.
  - jgoewert 4y ago
    Should watch the video they did just before this one where they did a live popup shop and had people trying to torque the hell out of this and it stands up. Or even during this exact video where he says that if you hit the max torque that this screwdriver can survive, you better have seen that your steel pc case now has a hole in it where the screw used to be.
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- throwaway0a5e 4y ago
  >I'd say their attempt is more akin to Snap-on with how much energy they seemed to focus on ergonomics and UX, especially the ratcheting mechanism. Snap On builds "fine" tools and sells them for premium prices because their brand has a lot of mind share among the customers. Kitchenaid does the same thing. These people don't a long established brand to power their money printer so they instead turn to marketing. If you want to market an expensive screwdriver to the kind of people who buy them hyping up the manufacturing process is a great way to go about it.
  - tmh88j 4y ago
    They worked with Megapro to develop it, a reputable brand. I haven't used it, but denying potential quality solely because they don't have brand recognition in that space is an unconvincing argument.
  - Theodores 4y ago
    My first job as a cycle mechanic was great because we had Snap On for everything and the Snap On van would pop by regularly to keep us with everything needed. We actually sold fancy bike tools including Park, which is the allegedly professional brand in cycling. I enjoyed the flex of being able to work extremely fast with those extremely shiny tools. Hence, for irrational reasons I see Snap On as a premium brand to not be questioned, even if all evidence is contrary. Intel is like that for me, I have heard AMD are better but I cling onto this notion that Intel are always better for floating point and, even though I have no evidence of that, my mind is made up. I will take that Intel CPU and I don't care if it is slower, takes twice the electricity and costs more. With Snap On I do not know how well their business was able to pivot to the web where you can get whatever tool you want from the jungle store, next day. The Snap On van brought excellence to our door with every specialist tool you could wish for. Price didn't matter because you would need to drive hours to find a stockist of lesser brands. My personal favourite screwdriver to 'flex' is my Silicon Graphics screwdriver. We have bonded and I am not going to upgrade to some YouTuber's screwdriver.
  - xenadu02 4y ago
    Snap On is selling more than just a brand: 1. They will outfit your new shop on a payment plan (or at least they did at one time), allowing a new mechanic to get started with a full set of tools for not much money. 2. Their reps come to you with a big truck loaded with common replacement tools and calibration machines. How many people ever read the fine print that says their torque wrench requires calibration every six months, let alone bother to do so? Kitchenaid stand mixers are selling the fact that they're a classic heavily built design not cheap thin plastic and they're still built in the USA. Not everyone wants to buy the cheapest $5 widget available and I'm glad the market is able to serve different types of customers. Obviously that can be taken to an extreme (the entire audiophile market for example) but finding product-market fit and serving a specific set of customers shouldn't be demeaned as just "branding".
marcosdumay 4y ago
Looks to me like a run-of-the-mill multipurpose screwdriver, with a perfectly ordinary development effort behind. I don't think this would break if you drop it from a person's height, but it may break if you drop from the 2nd floor. Just like any similar one. I guess the lesson here is that you don't want a multipurpose screwdriver if you will work on the top of a ladder. It will just bring you extra problems. (Although I do use mine a lot that way, usually because it's already around. It does bring extra problems.)
causi 4y ago
The half-height bits also make it very hard to curate the selection for your specific use cases without buying directly from LTT.
- O_H_E 4y ago
  Just for people who didn't watch the video. They could only fit 12 bits in that they determined to be "optimal size" handle by making them half-size. But they disliked the idea of locking people into their bits, and changed the design so that a little rotation can adapt the storage area to 6 standard-sized bits. Here is a link to the relevant section https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2K5Gqp1cEcM&t=819s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2K5Gqp1cEcM&t=819s
- sacredSaint 4y ago
  They do support full size bits. Though you will be only able to store 6 full size bits instead of 12 small bits. https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0522/2980/0129/files/Additional_LTT_Screw_Driver_Photos_-_2000px-23.jpg?v=1661883048 https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0522/2980/0129/files/Addit...
- ghosty141 4y ago
  Did you all not watch the video before complaining? He specifically mentioned this, its designed so yoi can also have normal bits in the bitset
kllrnohj 4y ago
> Seems like the juicero for screwdrivers... over-engineered tool that without the "LTT" branding could probably sink in the stores. Megapro (LTT's partner on this) has been selling this type of ratcheting driver w/ bit storage in the handle for 25 years and is pretty well reviewed. How did you manage to make the leap to Juicero & only "saved by LTT logo" nonsense from such a well established, long-running product?
- TheCapn 4y ago
  So what advantages does the $69.99 LTT driver have over the $48.99, $54.99, or $59.99 ratcheting drivers sold by Magapro themeslves? I think that's more to what OP is getting at. Going to a store knowing the LTT driver is a rebranded Magapro, why would any consumer want to pay the markup besides the brand name? For me, the LTT driver's only notable differences are not valuable additions to justify the cost. I think that's where the Juicero comparison enters: they've added unnecessary engineering to a tool that doesn't require it, then marked up the price for something most people will never require.
  - kllrnohj 4y ago
    > Going to a store knowing the LTT driver is a rebranded Magapro, why would any consumer want to pay the markup besides the brand name? It's not a rebranded Megapro, as the video goes into great details to elaborate on. But even if you just look at them, it's obviously not a white label rebrand. Which you (and OP) is obviously aware of by then also slamming it for having "unnecessary engineering". It can't both be a label rebrand and have unnecessary engineering - those are mutually exclusive, completely opposite ends of the spectrum complaints. Whether or not the differences are worth $10 is a different question, and altogether extremely different in both scope & tone to the juicero comparison. > they've added unnecessary engineering to a tool that doesn't require it What unnecessary engineering?
    - TheCapn 4y ago
      >What unnecessary engineering? Foremost is the knurling on the shaft. It's additional machining for an essentially useless addition. All the hullabaloo about torque strength for the relevant use cases also seems overdone. My experience is PC repair, both professionally and hobbiest. I've got my share of experience in vehicle repair and electrical panel assembly as well so I'm not totally inexperienced with relevant tools.
rspeele 4y ago
> juicero for screwdrivers You have to buy a proprietary packet of orange juice and vodka?

tmh88j 4y ago

> Seems like the juicero for screwdrivers... over-engineered tool that without the "LTT" branding could probably sink in the stores. I haven't used one so I don't know how durable they are, but I got the opposite impression. The juicero served no purpose. If you don't need a multi-purpose screwdriver that's one thing, but it does have plenty of use-cases and there are a lot of competitors which they showed so they are in demand to some extent. I'd say their attempt is more akin to Snap-on with how much energy they seemed to focus on ergonomics and UX, especially the ratcheting mechanism.

hotcoffeebear 4y ago
Plus, it’s probably for computer builders and stuff (like ikea things or similar). I don’t think those meant for heavy duty or home building.
- jgoewert 4y ago
  Should watch the video they did just before this one where they did a live popup shop and had people trying to torque the hell out of this and it stands up. Or even during this exact video where he says that if you hit the max torque that this screwdriver can survive, you better have seen that your steel pc case now has a hole in it where the screw used to be.
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throwaway0a5e 4y ago
>I'd say their attempt is more akin to Snap-on with how much energy they seemed to focus on ergonomics and UX, especially the ratcheting mechanism. Snap On builds "fine" tools and sells them for premium prices because their brand has a lot of mind share among the customers. Kitchenaid does the same thing. These people don't a long established brand to power their money printer so they instead turn to marketing. If you want to market an expensive screwdriver to the kind of people who buy them hyping up the manufacturing process is a great way to go about it.
- tmh88j 4y ago
  They worked with Megapro to develop it, a reputable brand. I haven't used it, but denying potential quality solely because they don't have brand recognition in that space is an unconvincing argument.
- Theodores 4y ago
  My first job as a cycle mechanic was great because we had Snap On for everything and the Snap On van would pop by regularly to keep us with everything needed. We actually sold fancy bike tools including Park, which is the allegedly professional brand in cycling. I enjoyed the flex of being able to work extremely fast with those extremely shiny tools. Hence, for irrational reasons I see Snap On as a premium brand to not be questioned, even if all evidence is contrary. Intel is like that for me, I have heard AMD are better but I cling onto this notion that Intel are always better for floating point and, even though I have no evidence of that, my mind is made up. I will take that Intel CPU and I don't care if it is slower, takes twice the electricity and costs more. With Snap On I do not know how well their business was able to pivot to the web where you can get whatever tool you want from the jungle store, next day. The Snap On van brought excellence to our door with every specialist tool you could wish for. Price didn't matter because you would need to drive hours to find a stockist of lesser brands. My personal favourite screwdriver to 'flex' is my Silicon Graphics screwdriver. We have bonded and I am not going to upgrade to some YouTuber's screwdriver.
- xenadu02 4y ago
  Snap On is selling more than just a brand: 1. They will outfit your new shop on a payment plan (or at least they did at one time), allowing a new mechanic to get started with a full set of tools for not much money. 2. Their reps come to you with a big truck loaded with common replacement tools and calibration machines. How many people ever read the fine print that says their torque wrench requires calibration every six months, let alone bother to do so? Kitchenaid stand mixers are selling the fact that they're a classic heavily built design not cheap thin plastic and they're still built in the USA. Not everyone wants to buy the cheapest $5 widget available and I'm glad the market is able to serve different types of customers. Obviously that can be taken to an extreme (the entire audiophile market for example) but finding product-market fit and serving a specific set of customers shouldn't be demeaned as just "branding".

marcosdumay 4y ago

Looks to me like a run-of-the-mill multipurpose screwdriver, with a perfectly ordinary development effort behind. I don't think this would break if you drop it from a person's height, but it may break if you drop from the 2nd floor. Just like any similar one. I guess the lesson here is that you don't want a multipurpose screwdriver if you will work on the top of a ladder. It will just bring you extra problems. (Although I do use mine a lot that way, usually because it's already around. It does bring extra problems.)

causi 4y ago

The half-height bits also make it very hard to curate the selection for your specific use cases without buying directly from LTT.

O_H_E 4y ago
Just for people who didn't watch the video. They could only fit 12 bits in that they determined to be "optimal size" handle by making them half-size. But they disliked the idea of locking people into their bits, and changed the design so that a little rotation can adapt the storage area to 6 standard-sized bits. Here is a link to the relevant section https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2K5Gqp1cEcM&t=819s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2K5Gqp1cEcM&t=819s
sacredSaint 4y ago
They do support full size bits. Though you will be only able to store 6 full size bits instead of 12 small bits. https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0522/2980/0129/files/Additional_LTT_Screw_Driver_Photos_-_2000px-23.jpg?v=1661883048 https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0522/2980/0129/files/Addit...
ghosty141 4y ago
Did you all not watch the video before complaining? He specifically mentioned this, its designed so yoi can also have normal bits in the bitset

kllrnohj 4y ago

> Seems like the juicero for screwdrivers... over-engineered tool that without the "LTT" branding could probably sink in the stores. Megapro (LTT's partner on this) has been selling this type of ratcheting driver w/ bit storage in the handle for 25 years and is pretty well reviewed. How did you manage to make the leap to Juicero & only "saved by LTT logo" nonsense from such a well established, long-running product?

TheCapn 4y ago
So what advantages does the $69.99 LTT driver have over the $48.99, $54.99, or $59.99 ratcheting drivers sold by Magapro themeslves? I think that's more to what OP is getting at. Going to a store knowing the LTT driver is a rebranded Magapro, why would any consumer want to pay the markup besides the brand name? For me, the LTT driver's only notable differences are not valuable additions to justify the cost. I think that's where the Juicero comparison enters: they've added unnecessary engineering to a tool that doesn't require it, then marked up the price for something most people will never require.
- kllrnohj 4y ago
  > Going to a store knowing the LTT driver is a rebranded Magapro, why would any consumer want to pay the markup besides the brand name? It's not a rebranded Megapro, as the video goes into great details to elaborate on. But even if you just look at them, it's obviously not a white label rebrand. Which you (and OP) is obviously aware of by then also slamming it for having "unnecessary engineering". It can't both be a label rebrand and have unnecessary engineering - those are mutually exclusive, completely opposite ends of the spectrum complaints. Whether or not the differences are worth $10 is a different question, and altogether extremely different in both scope & tone to the juicero comparison. > they've added unnecessary engineering to a tool that doesn't require it What unnecessary engineering?
  - TheCapn 4y ago
    >What unnecessary engineering? Foremost is the knurling on the shaft. It's additional machining for an essentially useless addition. All the hullabaloo about torque strength for the relevant use cases also seems overdone. My experience is PC repair, both professionally and hobbiest. I've got my share of experience in vehicle repair and electrical panel assembly as well so I'm not totally inexperienced with relevant tools.

rspeele 4y ago

> juicero for screwdrivers You have to buy a proprietary packet of orange juice and vodka?