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Sweden has four zones and according to [1] tomorrow's price will be from north to south: Zone 1: 14,25 cents/kWh Zone 2: 14,25 cents/kWh Zone 3: 108,64 cents

by sprak 4y ago

Sweden has four zones and according to [1] tomorrow's price will be from north to south: Zone 1: 14,25 cents/kWh Zone 2: 14,25 cents/kWh Zone 3: 108,64 cents/kWh Zone 4: 201,63 cents/kWh 1 Swedish krona is 0,094 USD. So between 1,3 and 20 American cents per kWh. Most people live in Zone 3 followed by Zone 4. Facebook's datacenter is in Zone 1. [1]: https://elen.nu https://elen.nu

tmikaeld 4y ago
The disturbing thing is that Zone 4 has to pay export prices, when it would be fairer to pay pre-export prices. It's already starting to bankrupt businesses in Zone 4, that are calling for immediate changes [0]. [0] https://www.di.se/live/efter-elprissmockan-skanska-foretag-varnar-for-konkurser/ https://www.di.se/live/efter-elprissmockan-skanska-foretag-v...
- anticristi 4y ago
  Hello from zone 4. Indeed, people here are pretty pissed about this. Basically, if an exporting transmission line got damaged, zone 4 prices would drop instantly.
  - tmikaeld 4y ago
    I'm also in Zone 4, prepare to be even more pissed then, the state want to double the export capacity [0]. [0] https://www.sydsvenskan.se/2022-08-18/regeringen-kan-bana-vag-for-dubblad-elexport-till-tyskland https://www.sydsvenskan.se/2022-08-18/regeringen-kan-bana-va... The electricity companies and the socialist state earn billions [1] (2021), they have no incentives to change how it currently works. [1] https://www.tn.se/hallbarhet/kritiken-staten-tjanar-miljarder-pa-elkrisen/ https://www.tn.se/hallbarhet/kritiken-staten-tjanar-miljarde...
thepasswordis 4y ago
To put this into more human terms: a tesla model Y has a 75kwh battery. So this means to charge it, at home, would cost between $0.75, $2.25, and $15. A normal air conditioner uses about 3.5kw. So if it runs for 6 hours a day, so 21kwh/day. $0.21/day, $0.63/day, and $4.2/day.
- roflyear 4y ago
  How much in Cali?
  - Rebelgecko 4y ago
    If you're paying in Cali you can multiply the USD amount by 5000 to get the approximate cost in Colombian pesos
- kilovoltaire 4y ago
  thanks for the context! small typo - air conditioner should be 3.5kw not kwh
moogly 4y ago
Facebook will have a much lower price anyway. Large industries (like steel plants, mining operations, paper mills, saw mills, and, yes, data centers) in Sweden have not been affected yet since they are not normally directly exposed to the spot price due to different price protection strategies[0]. There is no way Facebook pays consumer spot prices. Plus Sweden has the lowest electricity tax in the EU[1] for these companies. They raised it from 0 in 2019 due to EU regulations to 0.005 SEK/kWh. Consumer electricity tax today is 0.45 SEK/kWh including VAT. I believe there is also a way to write off a part of the electricity costs. [0]: https://www.svd.se/a/rE0R9R/elpriserna-nar-inte-industrin-har-sakrat-upp-priset-for-flera-ar https://www.svd.se/a/rE0R9R/elpriserna-nar-inte-industrin-ha... (paywall) [1]: https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/lagst-elpriser-till-industri-i-eu https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/lagst-elpriser-till-indus...

by sprak 4y ago

tmikaeld 4y ago

The disturbing thing is that Zone 4 has to pay export prices, when it would be fairer to pay pre-export prices. It's already starting to bankrupt businesses in Zone 4, that are calling for immediate changes [0]. [0] https://www.di.se/live/efter-elprissmockan-skanska-foretag-varnar-for-konkurser/ https://www.di.se/live/efter-elprissmockan-skanska-foretag-v...

anticristi 4y ago
Hello from zone 4. Indeed, people here are pretty pissed about this. Basically, if an exporting transmission line got damaged, zone 4 prices would drop instantly.
- tmikaeld 4y ago
  I'm also in Zone 4, prepare to be even more pissed then, the state want to double the export capacity [0]. [0] https://www.sydsvenskan.se/2022-08-18/regeringen-kan-bana-vag-for-dubblad-elexport-till-tyskland https://www.sydsvenskan.se/2022-08-18/regeringen-kan-bana-va... The electricity companies and the socialist state earn billions [1] (2021), they have no incentives to change how it currently works. [1] https://www.tn.se/hallbarhet/kritiken-staten-tjanar-miljarder-pa-elkrisen/ https://www.tn.se/hallbarhet/kritiken-staten-tjanar-miljarde...

thepasswordis 4y ago

To put this into more human terms: a tesla model Y has a 75kwh battery. So this means to charge it, at home, would cost between $0.75, $2.25, and $15. A normal air conditioner uses about 3.5kw. So if it runs for 6 hours a day, so 21kwh/day. $0.21/day, $0.63/day, and $4.2/day.

roflyear 4y ago
How much in Cali?
- Rebelgecko 4y ago
  If you're paying in Cali you can multiply the USD amount by 5000 to get the approximate cost in Colombian pesos
kilovoltaire 4y ago
thanks for the context! small typo - air conditioner should be 3.5kw not kwh

moogly 4y ago

Facebook will have a much lower price anyway. Large industries (like steel plants, mining operations, paper mills, saw mills, and, yes, data centers) in Sweden have not been affected yet since they are not normally directly exposed to the spot price due to different price protection strategies[0]. There is no way Facebook pays consumer spot prices. Plus Sweden has the lowest electricity tax in the EU[1] for these companies. They raised it from 0 in 2019 due to EU regulations to 0.005 SEK/kWh. Consumer electricity tax today is 0.45 SEK/kWh including VAT. I believe there is also a way to write off a part of the electricity costs. [0]: https://www.svd.se/a/rE0R9R/elpriserna-nar-inte-industrin-har-sakrat-upp-priset-for-flera-ar https://www.svd.se/a/rE0R9R/elpriserna-nar-inte-industrin-ha... (paywall) [1]: https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/lagst-elpriser-till-industri-i-eu https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/lagst-elpriser-till-indus...