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man I'd be super careful being handed anything in Colombia. Scopolamine is a real danger down there.

miloignis 4y ago
Wikipedia has a section on it's use in crime, but suggests that transdermal doses would be too small to be effective - ingesting it being the main attack method. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scopolamine#Crime https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scopolamine#Crime
- upupandup 4y ago
  what they do is let you get close and blow the powder in your face and that is enough. usually a distraction like they will get you to open a card and doing so it sprays the powder as you get close to inspect it. super scary.
SapporoChris 4y ago
Any good evidence that it's a danger? Guardian story writes it off as a scare story without much basis. https://www.theguardian.com/society/shortcuts/2015/sep/02/devils-breath-aka-scopolamine-can-it-really-zombify-you https://www.theguardian.com/society/shortcuts/2015/sep/02/de...
- vorpalhex 4y ago
  OSAC issued a warning in 2012, suggesting ~30k cases a year. From Wikipedia: > Between 1998 and 2004, 13% of emergency-room admissions for "poisoning with criminal intentions" in a clinic of Bogotá, Colombia, have been attributed to scopolamine, and 44% to benzodiazepines.[39] Most commonly, the person has been poisoned by a robber who gave the victim a scopolamine-laced beverage, in the hope that the victim would become unconscious or unable to effectively resist the robbery.[39]
  - SapporoChris 4y ago
    RESULTS: 860 clinical files were reviewed. We found a greater frequency of this intoxication in young people and male gender. The main cause was robbery. 860 clinical files reviewed. 806.13/(2004-1998)=~18 cases annually of emergency-room admissions from "poisoning with criminal intention with scopolamine for one clinic. Now these are beverages not business cards and the number appears to be trivially small. But it's only one clinic, how many clinics are there in Bogotá and more importantly, what is their annual case load? https://link.springer.com/article/10.1186/s12245-015-0079-y https://link.springer.com/article/10.1186/s12245-015-0079-y "Seventy EDs participated (82 % response). Most EDs (87 %) were located in hospitals, and 83 % were independent hospital departments. The median annual ED visit volume was approximately 50,000 visits." Okay, 18 annual cases per clinic. On any given night a clinic might have 18/50000 = 3.6E-4 cases of scopolamine-laced beverage poisoning. seventy EDs participated (82 % response) 70/.82=~86 clinics in Bogotá... 863.6E-4=3.10E-02 cases a nightly. I know my analysis is a bit rough, but I really am not worried about this happening should I visit Bogotá, Colombia. I'm not going to go out drinking alone by any means, but have some common sense this is not a frequent occurrence.
    - upupandup 4y ago
      writing off real dangers based on scientific journals....and you've never even travelled there....this take some special type of hubris.
pelagicAustral 4y ago
Oh is it? Never heard of that. I was on a pretty nice area of the city for about 3 months, never had a problem. Not a single one. I used to stay around the 85th street and mostly spend my time in Polo, Chico, Castellana, Usaquen, but I was also keen on Chapinero and Candelaria. I felt even safer than at home.
social_quotient 4y ago
Never heard of this till today https://video.vice.com/en_nz/video/worlds-scariest-drug-colombian-devil39s-breath-part-1/55ef5be749b3d5591cf227c4 https://video.vice.com/en_nz/video/worlds-scariest-drug-colo...

Wikipedia has a section on it's use in crime, but suggests that transdermal doses would be too small to be effective - ingesting it being the main attack method. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scopolamine#Crime https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scopolamine#Crime

upupandup 4y ago
what they do is let you get close and blow the powder in your face and that is enough. usually a distraction like they will get you to open a card and doing so it sprays the powder as you get close to inspect it. super scary.

SapporoChris 4y ago

Any good evidence that it's a danger? Guardian story writes it off as a scare story without much basis. https://www.theguardian.com/society/shortcuts/2015/sep/02/devils-breath-aka-scopolamine-can-it-really-zombify-you https://www.theguardian.com/society/shortcuts/2015/sep/02/de...

vorpalhex 4y ago
OSAC issued a warning in 2012, suggesting ~30k cases a year. From Wikipedia: > Between 1998 and 2004, 13% of emergency-room admissions for "poisoning with criminal intentions" in a clinic of Bogotá, Colombia, have been attributed to scopolamine, and 44% to benzodiazepines.[39] Most commonly, the person has been poisoned by a robber who gave the victim a scopolamine-laced beverage, in the hope that the victim would become unconscious or unable to effectively resist the robbery.[39]
- SapporoChris 4y ago
  RESULTS: 860 clinical files were reviewed. We found a greater frequency of this intoxication in young people and male gender. The main cause was robbery. 860 clinical files reviewed. 806.13/(2004-1998)=~18 cases annually of emergency-room admissions from "poisoning with criminal intention with scopolamine for one clinic. Now these are beverages not business cards and the number appears to be trivially small. But it's only one clinic, how many clinics are there in Bogotá and more importantly, what is their annual case load? https://link.springer.com/article/10.1186/s12245-015-0079-y https://link.springer.com/article/10.1186/s12245-015-0079-y "Seventy EDs participated (82 % response). Most EDs (87 %) were located in hospitals, and 83 % were independent hospital departments. The median annual ED visit volume was approximately 50,000 visits." Okay, 18 annual cases per clinic. On any given night a clinic might have 18/50000 = 3.6E-4 cases of scopolamine-laced beverage poisoning. seventy EDs participated (82 % response) 70/.82=~86 clinics in Bogotá... 863.6E-4=3.10E-02 cases a nightly. I know my analysis is a bit rough, but I really am not worried about this happening should I visit Bogotá, Colombia. I'm not going to go out drinking alone by any means, but have some common sense this is not a frequent occurrence.
  - upupandup 4y ago
    writing off real dangers based on scientific journals....and you've never even travelled there....this take some special type of hubris.

pelagicAustral 4y ago

Oh is it? Never heard of that. I was on a pretty nice area of the city for about 3 months, never had a problem. Not a single one. I used to stay around the 85th street and mostly spend my time in Polo, Chico, Castellana, Usaquen, but I was also keen on Chapinero and Candelaria. I felt even safer than at home.

social_quotient 4y ago

Never heard of this till today https://video.vice.com/en_nz/video/worlds-scariest-drug-colombian-devil39s-breath-part-1/55ef5be749b3d5591cf227c4 https://video.vice.com/en_nz/video/worlds-scariest-drug-colo...