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why adoption instead of IVF?
by internet_user 4y ago
why adoption instead of IVF?
- green-eclipse 4y agoIVF is incredibly expensive and certainly not guaranteed to be successful. Might have something to do with it.
- ridgered4 4y agoThe same is true of adoption unfortunately.
- nxm 4y agoIf a couple wants something that is priceless so badly, then it’s worth even the multiple rounds of ivf
- decafninja 4y agoIn our case, we are not that desperate. We do know some friends that were though, and did do exactly that. Also IVF is significantly cheaper in Korea? We know some friends who are low income that had the procedure done there.
- yardstick 4y agoMove to the UK and IVF is free for your first child. After that it’s about £15-20k per attempt.
- decafninja 4y agoWatching her friends and my friends' wives go through it, we've been scared off. Add to that, the usual HN phenomenon that we're observing how the world and our countries (USA & Korea) seem be going down the toilet, and that makes us feel hesitant to bring a new human being into the world, especially when there are kids already here that could use a loving family.
- legutierr 4y agoThe world has always been going down the toilet. The only difference now is that we have higher visibility of and lower tolerance for the bullshit. You shouldn’t be so pessimistic.
- adrianN 4y agoThe other difference now is that we're pretty close to wiping out crucial ecosystems like the Amazon rainforest and show no signs of taking climate change as seriously as we should.
- legutierr 4y agoSpeak for yourself. I take it very seriously myself.
- bamboozled 4y agoBut still, the word has really been going down the toilet for humans for a long time, famines, wars, plagues, pandemics. It's all been going down the shit shoot for a long time. But then you see a nice sunset, eat a decent meal and feel lucky. If my children get to experience some of those simple pleasures, maybe it's mission accomplished ?
- legutierr 4y agoI was downvoted in my other comment, so I think I should explain what I meant. My point was that there is no “we” when we speak of humanity as a broad aggregate this way. There are specific constituencies—for instance, Bolsenaro and his supporters in Brazil—who are blocking the policies that most of us want to implement to stop climate change. It’s not “we” who are the problem, it’s “them”. If you blame humanity in the aggregate you misdirect your energies and misidentify the solution. The thing to do is to apply the appropriate political levers to weaken and oppose the constituencies who prioritize status-quo fossil-fuel energy policies over civilizational stability and the well-being of life on Earth. Blaming all of humanity is the equivalent of giving up and doing nothing, and makes the problem worse.
- mrcartmeneses 4y agoIt gives a child a normal childhood and saves them from a system of foster care that can never fully meet the needs of a child?
- nxm 4y agoMuch respect to those who adopt, but bloodlines matter
- decafninja 4y agoYeah, this is not to be underestimated in the context of Korea and Korean culture. Thankfully, in our case, our parents don't care, and neither do we. I'm also an only child, as is my wife, so this means both our branches of our families' genetic bloodlines are effectively ending (albeit the onus for this is on the male side). But again - we don't care.
- tstrimple 4y agoIf you place value on them and decide they matter, sure.
- mullingitover 4y agoCounterpoint: our species has very little genetic diversity, we’re all pretty closely related. The odds that there’s there’s something unique or special about any one person’s lineage is pretty low.
- decafninja 4y agoIn this context, it's probably more of a matter of personal and familial pride and honor rather than promoting the benefit of humankind.
- hypertele-Xii 4y agoThe more genetically similar we are, the more socially valuable the relative differences become.