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Don’t eat the bugs. You have an innate disgust reaction to bugs and to the idea of eating them. It evolved over millions of years. Heed nature’s warning. They o

Don’t eat the bugs. You have an innate disgust reaction to bugs and to the idea of eating them. It evolved over millions of years. Heed nature’s warning. They only eat bugs in places where it was historically necessary due to extreme famine. These activists trying to get you to eat bugs don’t have your best interests at heart. Eat meat. It is one of the great liberties man enjoys.

smcl 4y ago
You can get parasites from eating meat too, you know
- JoachimS 4y ago
  Calling people idiots (as OP did) is unnecessary, but do we really need whataboutism? The point here is that insects are proposed as a new, high volume source of proteins, as a way to reduce meat consumption. Humans have fairly good understanding of parastites, bacteria etc related to meat. And have established routines for raising animals and preparing meat to minimize the problems. As far as I know, humans have not the same level of knowledge, nor processes related to mass production and consumption of insects. The paper shows that there are substantial parasitical risks with eating insects. Something, at least as far as I am aware, is not generally known or talked about. Importantly things like applying heat (cooking), which generally works to reduce problems with meat, according to the artible, seems NOT to be effective against parasites in insects. Let's focus on that discussion.
  - mrpopo 4y ago
    > seems NOT to be effective against parasites in insects. I don't see this in the article. They explain in a paragraph that cooking and/or freezing are effective, and that simple drying was "considered promising". With a little drop of caution. > However, there is a need of thorough evaluation of insect processing methods, including temperatures and time of cooking / freezing to prevent possible parasitic infections
  - smcl 4y ago
    This isn't whataboutism at all. The topic at hand is parasitic diseases coming from eating insects. Someone is saying this is a reason not to eat any insects and to stick to meat. Hence my comment about meat, in fact it is not only relevant but is one of the reasons two of the major religions to shun certain types of meat.
  - pessimizer 4y ago
    > Calling people idiots (as OP did) is unnecessary, but do we really need whataboutism? Let's say I propose cars as an alternative to motorcycles, and you respond by citing the enormous numbers of deaths from car accidents. Am I doing a whataboutism if I mention that motorcycles have accidents too? edit: "whataboutism" is an anticommunist propaganda term meant to defend segregation, but to the extent that it has a meaning, that meaning is: When I mention thing A that you do, it's a distraction when you mention totally unrelated thing B that I do. It's not when I criticize you over doing thing A, and you mention that I also do thing A.
    - smcl 4y ago
      Your edit contains a really nice concise definition of what is and what isn't whataboutism. Sadly I find that it's often deployed as a defense like "you can't accuse me of X, I accused you of X first!" and it's tiresome
throwaway41423 4y ago
Only the human species is able to surviva in all climate zones. Cultural evolution allows us to utilize everything around us, including certain insects. You are making a sweeping statement by saying, "eating [all] the bugs" is dangerous and _contrary to our nature_. Also, you should be careful with the word "idiot".
epgui 4y ago
Just decades ago people in the West had the same reaction to lobster, crab and other seafood. Modern society needs to go beyond animal instinct.
- chucktingle 4y ago
  > Modern society needs to go beyond animal instinct. Yes, especially when it's a certain minority of "modern" society that determines those needs for the society as a whole. I can assure you billionaires won't be eating bugs.
- MichaelCollins 4y ago
  > Just decades ago people in the West had the same reaction to lobster, Aversion to lobster was an American phenomenon, lobsters have been considered a delicacy in coastal communities around Europe since the Roman era, possibly earlier than that. In the American north-east, people were initially averse to eating lobster because they were originally from inland parts of Europe and didn't know much about seafood. But they did figure it out as they developed their own coastal palates. We've all been living alongside bugs this whole time. If they were good to eat, they'd be popular by now.
richarddaystrom 4y ago
Meat is murder Tasty, tasty murder
- mildmotive 4y ago
  >Meat is murder So are bugs. It’s also worse because you have to kill more of them.
bloak 4y ago
I don't think disgust is "innate". A typical English person finds squid disgusting, but is happy to eat various kinds of cheese, including ones like Stilton with mould on them. Someone in Japan, on the other hand ... Also, everyone has heard at least one story of a young child eating an earthworm they found in the garden. It seems to be only after seeing the reaction of older children and adults that they learn to find that disgusting.
- goethes_kind 4y ago
  > A typical English person finds squid disgusting Not true.
- xienze 4y ago
  > I don't think disgust is "innate". Sure it is. Did someone have to teach you not to eat shit? Or green meat that smells like death? Certain smells and physical appearances trigger reactions in our bodies that tell us "stay away." That there might be certain groups of people that act in contrary ways is an exception, and doesn't disprove anything.
  - mrguyorama 4y ago
    You haven't been around many babies have you? You absolutely have to stop them from trying to eat shit
    - jessaustin 4y ago
      Babies in my family have gorged on giant cockroaches when not sufficiently supervised...
- HighlandSpring 4y ago
  > I don't think disgust is "innate". Oh it is and what til you hear about couple more fears we didn't have to learn through experience: > Examples of innate fear include fears that are triggered by predators, pain, heights, rapidly approaching objects, and ancestral threats such as snakes and spiders. Animals and humans detect and respond more rapidly to threatening stimuli than to nonthreatening stimuli in the natural world. Some adaptations are so worthwhile they get wired into our biology! - https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32852735 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32852735
fzfaa 4y ago
- mrpopo 4y ago
  If you are worried about that, then raise your own meat and stop complaining about "elites". Too many people take the current consumption society for granted. It is not a human right.
  - fzfaa 4y ago
    Actually yes, free commercial transactions between individuals should be a human right. But don't worry about it, they will also make life hard or impossible for small livestock owners. So you won't be able to raise your own or buy from your neighbour.
  - throwaway4aday 4y ago
    In order to raise meat you also need land, tractors, and fertilizer which also seem to be targets of the Davos attendees. > Too many people take the current consumption society for granted. It is not a human right. It isn't a privilege granted by our rulers either, in fact it's the very thing that everyone is working to maintain so why shouldn't we enjoy the fruit of our labor?
  - MichaelCollins 4y ago
ZeroGravitas 4y ago
What's with the sudden uptick in people talking about eating bugs and eating meat (and liberties, billionaires, elites?)? Those two things aren't the only two options, and no one is forcing anyone to do anything, which makes me think this is some attempt by the meat industry to paint all the people who are telling you to eat less meat (like your doctor) as authoritarian lunatics out to undermine civilization.
- justthinkhn 4y ago
  It’s not a secret agenda. The elite intellectual class is coalescing around the idea that meat consumption is bad for the planet and needs to be phased out by dramatically raising the cost of meat.
  - MichaelCollins 4y ago
    > needs to be phased out by dramatically raising the cost of meat. They of course will continue to eat meat, continue to own rural property, continue to drive cars and travel for leisure on jets. Their solution to all problems is to maintain their privilege while forcing the underclasses make all the sacrifices.
  - namdnay 4y ago
    who is the "elite intellectual class"? does it include everyone on this forum?
- mypastself 4y ago
  They’re likely alluding to articles posted on The World Economic Forum’s website. WEF is a group of wealthy, influential individuals whose goals include building what they believe is a more sustainable global economy (and society). Some of their more infamous articles have become memes (“You’ll own nothing and be happy”, “You will eat the bugs”). The kookier versions of anti-WEF arguments veer into conspiracy theory territory, but there’s something to be said about out-of-touch wealthy individuals attempting to wield their influence to reduce e.g. developing nations use of cheap-but-nonrenewable energy sources, or reduce their consumption of more efficient sources of protein.
boxed 4y ago
We have an aversion to insects for other reasons, don't get confused.
Moosdijk 4y ago
Do you have a source for such wild claims?
fredley 4y ago
Have you ever witnessed an animal being slaughtered? I have an innate disgust reaction to that too.

smcl 4y ago

You can get parasites from eating meat too, you know

JoachimS 4y ago
Calling people idiots (as OP did) is unnecessary, but do we really need whataboutism? The point here is that insects are proposed as a new, high volume source of proteins, as a way to reduce meat consumption. Humans have fairly good understanding of parastites, bacteria etc related to meat. And have established routines for raising animals and preparing meat to minimize the problems. As far as I know, humans have not the same level of knowledge, nor processes related to mass production and consumption of insects. The paper shows that there are substantial parasitical risks with eating insects. Something, at least as far as I am aware, is not generally known or talked about. Importantly things like applying heat (cooking), which generally works to reduce problems with meat, according to the artible, seems NOT to be effective against parasites in insects. Let's focus on that discussion.
- mrpopo 4y ago
  > seems NOT to be effective against parasites in insects. I don't see this in the article. They explain in a paragraph that cooking and/or freezing are effective, and that simple drying was "considered promising". With a little drop of caution. > However, there is a need of thorough evaluation of insect processing methods, including temperatures and time of cooking / freezing to prevent possible parasitic infections
- smcl 4y ago
  This isn't whataboutism at all. The topic at hand is parasitic diseases coming from eating insects. Someone is saying this is a reason not to eat any insects and to stick to meat. Hence my comment about meat, in fact it is not only relevant but is one of the reasons two of the major religions to shun certain types of meat.
- pessimizer 4y ago
  > Calling people idiots (as OP did) is unnecessary, but do we really need whataboutism? Let's say I propose cars as an alternative to motorcycles, and you respond by citing the enormous numbers of deaths from car accidents. Am I doing a whataboutism if I mention that motorcycles have accidents too? edit: "whataboutism" is an anticommunist propaganda term meant to defend segregation, but to the extent that it has a meaning, that meaning is: When I mention thing A that you do, it's a distraction when you mention totally unrelated thing B that I do. It's not when I criticize you over doing thing A, and you mention that I also do thing A.
  - smcl 4y ago
    Your edit contains a really nice concise definition of what is and what isn't whataboutism. Sadly I find that it's often deployed as a defense like "you can't accuse me of X, I accused you of X first!" and it's tiresome

throwaway41423 4y ago

Only the human species is able to surviva in all climate zones. Cultural evolution allows us to utilize everything around us, including certain insects. You are making a sweeping statement by saying, "eating [all] the bugs" is dangerous and _contrary to our nature_. Also, you should be careful with the word "idiot".

epgui 4y ago

Just decades ago people in the West had the same reaction to lobster, crab and other seafood. Modern society needs to go beyond animal instinct.

chucktingle 4y ago
> Modern society needs to go beyond animal instinct. Yes, especially when it's a certain minority of "modern" society that determines those needs for the society as a whole. I can assure you billionaires won't be eating bugs.
MichaelCollins 4y ago
> Just decades ago people in the West had the same reaction to lobster, Aversion to lobster was an American phenomenon, lobsters have been considered a delicacy in coastal communities around Europe since the Roman era, possibly earlier than that. In the American north-east, people were initially averse to eating lobster because they were originally from inland parts of Europe and didn't know much about seafood. But they did figure it out as they developed their own coastal palates. We've all been living alongside bugs this whole time. If they were good to eat, they'd be popular by now.

richarddaystrom 4y ago

Meat is murder Tasty, tasty murder

mildmotive 4y ago
>Meat is murder So are bugs. It’s also worse because you have to kill more of them.

bloak 4y ago

I don't think disgust is "innate". A typical English person finds squid disgusting, but is happy to eat various kinds of cheese, including ones like Stilton with mould on them. Someone in Japan, on the other hand ... Also, everyone has heard at least one story of a young child eating an earthworm they found in the garden. It seems to be only after seeing the reaction of older children and adults that they learn to find that disgusting.

goethes_kind 4y ago
> A typical English person finds squid disgusting Not true.
xienze 4y ago
> I don't think disgust is "innate". Sure it is. Did someone have to teach you not to eat shit? Or green meat that smells like death? Certain smells and physical appearances trigger reactions in our bodies that tell us "stay away." That there might be certain groups of people that act in contrary ways is an exception, and doesn't disprove anything.
- mrguyorama 4y ago
  You haven't been around many babies have you? You absolutely have to stop them from trying to eat shit
  - jessaustin 4y ago
    Babies in my family have gorged on giant cockroaches when not sufficiently supervised...
HighlandSpring 4y ago
> I don't think disgust is "innate". Oh it is and what til you hear about couple more fears we didn't have to learn through experience: > Examples of innate fear include fears that are triggered by predators, pain, heights, rapidly approaching objects, and ancestral threats such as snakes and spiders. Animals and humans detect and respond more rapidly to threatening stimuli than to nonthreatening stimuli in the natural world. Some adaptations are so worthwhile they get wired into our biology! - https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32852735 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32852735

fzfaa 4y ago

mrpopo 4y ago
If you are worried about that, then raise your own meat and stop complaining about "elites". Too many people take the current consumption society for granted. It is not a human right.
- fzfaa 4y ago
  Actually yes, free commercial transactions between individuals should be a human right. But don't worry about it, they will also make life hard or impossible for small livestock owners. So you won't be able to raise your own or buy from your neighbour.
- throwaway4aday 4y ago
  In order to raise meat you also need land, tractors, and fertilizer which also seem to be targets of the Davos attendees. > Too many people take the current consumption society for granted. It is not a human right. It isn't a privilege granted by our rulers either, in fact it's the very thing that everyone is working to maintain so why shouldn't we enjoy the fruit of our labor?
- MichaelCollins 4y ago

ZeroGravitas 4y ago

What's with the sudden uptick in people talking about eating bugs and eating meat (and liberties, billionaires, elites?)? Those two things aren't the only two options, and no one is forcing anyone to do anything, which makes me think this is some attempt by the meat industry to paint all the people who are telling you to eat less meat (like your doctor) as authoritarian lunatics out to undermine civilization.

justthinkhn 4y ago
It’s not a secret agenda. The elite intellectual class is coalescing around the idea that meat consumption is bad for the planet and needs to be phased out by dramatically raising the cost of meat.
- MichaelCollins 4y ago
  > needs to be phased out by dramatically raising the cost of meat. They of course will continue to eat meat, continue to own rural property, continue to drive cars and travel for leisure on jets. Their solution to all problems is to maintain their privilege while forcing the underclasses make all the sacrifices.
- namdnay 4y ago
  who is the "elite intellectual class"? does it include everyone on this forum?
mypastself 4y ago
They’re likely alluding to articles posted on The World Economic Forum’s website. WEF is a group of wealthy, influential individuals whose goals include building what they believe is a more sustainable global economy (and society). Some of their more infamous articles have become memes (“You’ll own nothing and be happy”, “You will eat the bugs”). The kookier versions of anti-WEF arguments veer into conspiracy theory territory, but there’s something to be said about out-of-touch wealthy individuals attempting to wield their influence to reduce e.g. developing nations use of cheap-but-nonrenewable energy sources, or reduce their consumption of more efficient sources of protein.

boxed 4y ago

We have an aversion to insects for other reasons, don't get confused.

Moosdijk 4y ago

Do you have a source for such wild claims?

fredley 4y ago

Have you ever witnessed an animal being slaughtered? I have an innate disgust reaction to that too.