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Can you elaborate how you feel returning a kid to their own home is "kidnapping"? Given I am Canadian, here is our legal definition: Kidnapping 279 (1) Every

Can you elaborate how you feel returning a kid to their own home is "kidnapping"? Given I am Canadian, here is our legal definition: Kidnapping 279 (1) Every person commits an offence who kidnaps a person with intent (a) to cause the person to be confined or imprisoned against the person’s will; (b) to cause the person to be unlawfully sent or transported out of Canada against the person’s will; or (c) to hold the person for ransom or to service against the person’s will. You could argue the child did not want to be sent back home, but I think you would not be successful making this case in a court of law. Escalating this by reporting her to the police will simply cause her to escalate back. She reports you to CAS, you report her to the police. You now face a false police report charge, and if anything further happens you already have one strike against you as the police will document this interaction. Clearly the child is in no danger, so what was the point of calling the police?

em-bee 4y ago
as a parent if i expect my kids to be in a certain location, and say i planned to pick them up from that location, someone removing them from that location has effectively kidnapped them, because when i get there, and the kids are gone, then i can't find them. trust me, that's not a good feeling. especially if i am alone and i have to decide if i should wait to see if they come back or if i go search them. if i think young kids are in a dangerous location, then i'd stay there and watch them, and call someone who can notify the parents. or i might tell the kids that it is dangerous here and tell them to go home. (if the kids say they are supposed to wait here, then that is what should happen). i would not just move them somewhere else, even to their home, unless explicitly asked to do so. i would make an exception to this if i know the parents well, and i know the parents trust me to take care of their kids. but in that case i'd know how to reach the parents and let them know.
- kenned3 4y ago
  Are you aware that almost every country has some sort of "good Samaritan" which would offer protection in this situation. " All 50 states and the District of Columbia have some type of Good Samaritan law. The details of good Samaritan laws/acts vary by jurisdiction, including who is protected from liability and under what circumstances. " I'm not advocating what what took place was correct but it is not "kidnapping" regardless of how you wish to twist things around. I have three kids, so I am also a parent, does that change things? you mention you are a parent so it somehow contributes to the discussion? you have now taken a story about an v "karen" walking a kid back home and painted it such that "Karern" has driven across the country and now you cant find the child.
  - em-bee 4y ago
    i live in a country where child abductions do happen. they are rare, so that doesn't turn me into a helicopter parent that wouldn't let their kids out of their sight, although may other parents here do just that, but if they are not where i expect them to be, then i'll silently panic. i am aware of good samaritan laws. but protecting children from danger is one thing. removing them from a location where i expect them to be is quite another. there would have to be some obvious danger that wasn't there previously for that to be ok. (like a fire, or even just heavy rain and no nearby shelter) i don't care what the legal term for this is. i care what effect the action has on the people involved. before you take children away from somewhere, think about that, and try to find a way to protect the children without moving them unless you can inform the parents or authorities.

em-bee 4y ago

as a parent if i expect my kids to be in a certain location, and say i planned to pick them up from that location, someone removing them from that location has effectively kidnapped them, because when i get there, and the kids are gone, then i can't find them. trust me, that's not a good feeling. especially if i am alone and i have to decide if i should wait to see if they come back or if i go search them. if i think young kids are in a dangerous location, then i'd stay there and watch them, and call someone who can notify the parents. or i might tell the kids that it is dangerous here and tell them to go home. (if the kids say they are supposed to wait here, then that is what should happen). i would not just move them somewhere else, even to their home, unless explicitly asked to do so. i would make an exception to this if i know the parents well, and i know the parents trust me to take care of their kids. but in that case i'd know how to reach the parents and let them know.

kenned3 4y ago
Are you aware that almost every country has some sort of "good Samaritan" which would offer protection in this situation. " All 50 states and the District of Columbia have some type of Good Samaritan law. The details of good Samaritan laws/acts vary by jurisdiction, including who is protected from liability and under what circumstances. " I'm not advocating what what took place was correct but it is not "kidnapping" regardless of how you wish to twist things around. I have three kids, so I am also a parent, does that change things? you mention you are a parent so it somehow contributes to the discussion? you have now taken a story about an v "karen" walking a kid back home and painted it such that "Karern" has driven across the country and now you cant find the child.
- em-bee 4y ago
  i live in a country where child abductions do happen. they are rare, so that doesn't turn me into a helicopter parent that wouldn't let their kids out of their sight, although may other parents here do just that, but if they are not where i expect them to be, then i'll silently panic. i am aware of good samaritan laws. but protecting children from danger is one thing. removing them from a location where i expect them to be is quite another. there would have to be some obvious danger that wasn't there previously for that to be ok. (like a fire, or even just heavy rain and no nearby shelter) i don't care what the legal term for this is. i care what effect the action has on the people involved. before you take children away from somewhere, think about that, and try to find a way to protect the children without moving them unless you can inform the parents or authorities.