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The point is none of what you brought forward supports any of your points

jelliclesfarm 4y ago
Ahh. Ok. I was speaking that as a person of faith, my faith is more important than fighting politics of the majority. I walk away because the space and freedom to practice my faith is more important than anything else. If democracy/secularism is the prime directive(here: France)is hostile to my daily life, then that’s a problem. It is a good thing that there are 53 countries that have declared themselves to uphold Islamic faith as their prime directive where personal faith based issues can be protected. Why isn’t this a good thing?? [..]"France is an indivisible, secular, democratic and social Republic, guaranteeing that all citizens regardless of their origin, race or religion are treated as equals before the law and respecting all religious beliefs" states the Constitution of 1958.[..]
- elchangri 4y ago
  You keep throwing that number around like you didn’t read my first comment. If the west hadn’t destroyed/pillaged mena region things would be different. In the meantime, def a smart move for most muslims to go to the west and impose themselves. Life is better there, the place is super rich thanks to looted resources and kleptocratic foreign policy. Btw the west fertility rate is unsustainable. Someone’s gotta pay for those taxes! You should be happy
  - selimthegrim 4y ago
    Why impose? Is this just cycle of revenge? Is Algeria that f**ed? Was 1991-99 the fault of the French (besides their promotion of rampant illiteracy)
    - elchangri 4y ago
      All mena countries with more than 5 million muslims are fucked. And actually yes it was in fact literally the President of France Francois Mitterand himself who gave the green light to the Algerian military to cancel the second round of elections after the Islamic party won the first by a landslide. Civil war ensued and along with it massive emigration towards France. Do you see a pattern
      - selimthegrim 4y ago
        Is France pulling the strings in Tunisia now? My country gave Ben Bella the passport when he needed to go abroad to speak so I can hardly claim to be neutral here, but everything I’ve read about FIS doesn’t seem like they were that different from Taliban (I understand girls in school and not being married off were an issue)
        elchangri 4y ago
        No one in their right mind living in former french colonies believes France has stopped pulling the strings. Postcolonial Africa (fr) legit has a name: la Françafrique. Also shouldn’t it be the domestic electorate’s business if it elected the Taliban ? Or are we all of a sudden, against democracy?
        selimthegrim 4y ago
        My brother lives in Tunis (and is not always a knee jerk fan of democracy) and my friend studies it for a living and just wrote an editorial in the Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/07/25/tunisia-constitutional-referendum-end-democracy-experiment-arab-world/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/07/25/tunisia-c...) the other day, for sure I’ll ask them. If you’re going to tell me FIS/GIA ran on that platform then sure, but I somehow doubt they were upfront about girls being out of school at first.
        elchangri 4y ago
        Why does the platform they’re pushing matter? The west keeps trying to bomb places into democracies but then when the democratic process does not yield desired result, they stage a coup. Even the anti-islamists were against the coup, which basically says it all.
        elchangri 4y ago
        As for the GIA when shit hit the fan it was swiftly infiltrated by the military to stage false flag terrorist attacks, target political opponents within the military and further demonize the Islamic party. The same military that got the green light from the ex-colonizer to stage the coup in the first place. Then in 1999 after 250,000 people died and the FIS and Islamists’ images were totally destroyed, the government gave the “terrorists” amnesty and cash in exchange for peace. No jail, no criminal record, no legal. proceedings whatsoever. Almost like family. Most people don’t care about democracy. Even the US who has waged countless wars in its name ironically has like a 55% avg voter turnout.

Ahh. Ok. I was speaking that as a person of faith, my faith is more important than fighting politics of the majority. I walk away because the space and freedom to practice my faith is more important than anything else. If democracy/secularism is the prime directive(here: France)is hostile to my daily life, then that’s a problem. It is a good thing that there are 53 countries that have declared themselves to uphold Islamic faith as their prime directive where personal faith based issues can be protected. Why isn’t this a good thing?? [..]"France is an indivisible, secular, democratic and social Republic, guaranteeing that all citizens regardless of their origin, race or religion are treated as equals before the law and respecting all religious beliefs" states the Constitution of 1958.[..]

elchangri 4y ago
You keep throwing that number around like you didn’t read my first comment. If the west hadn’t destroyed/pillaged mena region things would be different. In the meantime, def a smart move for most muslims to go to the west and impose themselves. Life is better there, the place is super rich thanks to looted resources and kleptocratic foreign policy. Btw the west fertility rate is unsustainable. Someone’s gotta pay for those taxes! You should be happy
- selimthegrim 4y ago
  Why impose? Is this just cycle of revenge? Is Algeria that f**ed? Was 1991-99 the fault of the French (besides their promotion of rampant illiteracy)
  - elchangri 4y ago
    All mena countries with more than 5 million muslims are fucked. And actually yes it was in fact literally the President of France Francois Mitterand himself who gave the green light to the Algerian military to cancel the second round of elections after the Islamic party won the first by a landslide. Civil war ensued and along with it massive emigration towards France. Do you see a pattern
    - selimthegrim 4y ago
      Is France pulling the strings in Tunisia now? My country gave Ben Bella the passport when he needed to go abroad to speak so I can hardly claim to be neutral here, but everything I’ve read about FIS doesn’t seem like they were that different from Taliban (I understand girls in school and not being married off were an issue)
      - elchangri 4y ago
        No one in their right mind living in former french colonies believes France has stopped pulling the strings. Postcolonial Africa (fr) legit has a name: la Françafrique. Also shouldn’t it be the domestic electorate’s business if it elected the Taliban ? Or are we all of a sudden, against democracy?
        selimthegrim 4y ago
        My brother lives in Tunis (and is not always a knee jerk fan of democracy) and my friend studies it for a living and just wrote an editorial in the Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/07/25/tunisia-constitutional-referendum-end-democracy-experiment-arab-world/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/07/25/tunisia-c...) the other day, for sure I’ll ask them. If you’re going to tell me FIS/GIA ran on that platform then sure, but I somehow doubt they were upfront about girls being out of school at first.
        elchangri 4y ago
        Why does the platform they’re pushing matter? The west keeps trying to bomb places into democracies but then when the democratic process does not yield desired result, they stage a coup. Even the anti-islamists were against the coup, which basically says it all.
        elchangri 4y ago
        As for the GIA when shit hit the fan it was swiftly infiltrated by the military to stage false flag terrorist attacks, target political opponents within the military and further demonize the Islamic party. The same military that got the green light from the ex-colonizer to stage the coup in the first place. Then in 1999 after 250,000 people died and the FIS and Islamists’ images were totally destroyed, the government gave the “terrorists” amnesty and cash in exchange for peace. No jail, no criminal record, no legal. proceedings whatsoever. Almost like family. Most people don’t care about democracy. Even the US who has waged countless wars in its name ironically has like a 55% avg voter turnout.