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> The great firewall of China prevents most of their citizens from seeing news that isn’t the party line Totally not like how access to Russian news outlets ha

> The great firewall of China prevents most of their citizens from seeing news that isn’t the party line Totally not like how access to Russian news outlets has been blocked by parts of the West.

noslenwerdna 4y ago
Just pointing out that there was a shadow edit to this comment. It used to say Russian need outlets were blocked by the West. It isn't actually blocked in the US
AyyWS 4y ago
I just went to RT from the US. This whataboutism doesn't work.
- Ansil849 4y ago
  I'm so tired of "whataboutism" being used to as some attempt to shut down an argument. It is perfectly valid to point out hypocritical arguments. And it might stun you to know that the West isn't solely composed of the US. Try going to RT from the EU - https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=OJ:L:2022:065:FULL&from=EN https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=OJ:L... Take special note not just of the block, but of the anticircumvention provisions.
  - noslenwerdna 4y ago
    The grandparent made the broad generalization not the person you are replying to. They said the "west" is blocking RT. It might stun you to learn that the US is part of the west and isn't blocking RT. I don't want to stun you too much, but the west is not some uniform block of countries.
    - Ansil849 4y ago
      > It might stun you to learn that the US is part of the west and isn't blocking RT. Golly gee, you sure got me there on that! Let's rephrase to "parts of the West", what impact does that have on the argument that Western powers engage in media censorship as well? > I don't want to stun you too much, but the west is not some uniform block of countries. LOL. You understand it is _literally_ called the "Western Bloc", right? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Bloc https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Bloc
      - noslenwerdna 4y ago
        The original comment was "Totally not like how access to Russian news outlets has been blocked by the West." This statement is factually incorrect. I don't see where that argument was actually made. But sure, some western countries have a level of censorship, yes, but that still doesn't approach the level of China. And just because there is a wiki entry called western bloc, doesn't mean the western countries are uniform. The US is pretty well known for having broad, but not absolute, protections for freedom of speech.
2OEH8eoCRo0 4y ago
Which Russian news outlets are blocked? Can you list them?
- Ansil849 4y ago
  Sure: RT- Russia Today English RT- Russia Today UK RT - Russia Today Germany RT - Russia Today France RT- Russia Today Spanish Sputnik’ Source: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=OJ:L:2022:065:FULL&from=EN https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=OJ:L... Or here's a mass media summary if you don't want to read the official documentation: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eu-bans-rt-sputnik-banned-over-ukraine-disinformation-2022-03-02/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eu-bans-rt-sputnik-bann...
  - 2OEH8eoCRo0 4y ago
    I just browsed Russia Today without a VPN. I'm in the US
    - Ansil849 4y ago
      > I'm in the US That's great. The block is in the EU. Which is in...the West.
      - 2OEH8eoCRo0 4y ago
        The US is in the west so clearly "the west" hasn't blocked them. A subset of European countries have.

> The great firewall of China prevents most of their citizens from seeing news that isn’t the party line Totally not like how access to Russian news outlets has been blocked by parts of the West.

noslenwerdna 4y ago

Just pointing out that there was a shadow edit to this comment. It used to say Russian need outlets were blocked by the West. It isn't actually blocked in the US

AyyWS 4y ago

I just went to RT from the US. This whataboutism doesn't work.

Ansil849 4y ago
I'm so tired of "whataboutism" being used to as some attempt to shut down an argument. It is perfectly valid to point out hypocritical arguments. And it might stun you to know that the West isn't solely composed of the US. Try going to RT from the EU - https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=OJ:L:2022:065:FULL&from=EN https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=OJ:L... Take special note not just of the block, but of the anticircumvention provisions.
- noslenwerdna 4y ago
  The grandparent made the broad generalization not the person you are replying to. They said the "west" is blocking RT. It might stun you to learn that the US is part of the west and isn't blocking RT. I don't want to stun you too much, but the west is not some uniform block of countries.
  - Ansil849 4y ago
    > It might stun you to learn that the US is part of the west and isn't blocking RT. Golly gee, you sure got me there on that! Let's rephrase to "parts of the West", what impact does that have on the argument that Western powers engage in media censorship as well? > I don't want to stun you too much, but the west is not some uniform block of countries. LOL. You understand it is _literally_ called the "Western Bloc", right? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Bloc https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Bloc
    - noslenwerdna 4y ago
      The original comment was "Totally not like how access to Russian news outlets has been blocked by the West." This statement is factually incorrect. I don't see where that argument was actually made. But sure, some western countries have a level of censorship, yes, but that still doesn't approach the level of China. And just because there is a wiki entry called western bloc, doesn't mean the western countries are uniform. The US is pretty well known for having broad, but not absolute, protections for freedom of speech.

2OEH8eoCRo0 4y ago

Which Russian news outlets are blocked? Can you list them?

Ansil849 4y ago
Sure: RT- Russia Today English RT- Russia Today UK RT - Russia Today Germany RT - Russia Today France RT- Russia Today Spanish Sputnik’ Source: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=OJ:L:2022:065:FULL&from=EN https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=OJ:L... Or here's a mass media summary if you don't want to read the official documentation: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eu-bans-rt-sputnik-banned-over-ukraine-disinformation-2022-03-02/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eu-bans-rt-sputnik-bann...
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 4y ago
  I just browsed Russia Today without a VPN. I'm in the US
  - Ansil849 4y ago
    > I'm in the US That's great. The block is in the EU. Which is in...the West.
    - 2OEH8eoCRo0 4y ago
      The US is in the west so clearly "the west" hasn't blocked them. A subset of European countries have.