Ahh okay I think I get it now, you are saying if chess is win for black, that immediately implies zugzwang for white from starting position. In the same way, c

Ahh okay I think I get it now, you are saying if chess is win for black, that immediately implies zugzwang for white from starting position. In the same way, chess being a win for white implies zugzwang for black starting position. So chess being a win for one side is equivalent to starting position being zugzwang for the other side. It's obvious now, but so interesting to me, I never thought about it that way! Thanks for taking time for explaining yourself.