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Doesn't Prop 13 also apply to commercial property? And second/third/30th houses? I think they smuggled a bear in as a rabbit with this one.

btilly 4y ago
It does, but commercial property tends to change ownership and undergo construction more often. Therefore property taxes on commercial property tends to be higher. As a result, cities have an incentive to build commercial property over residential homes. The result is that the people working in those offices are competing for limited residential space (leading to high prices) and often have to settle for long commutes (leading to gridlock).
- lapetitejort 4y ago
  When was the last time Disneyland changed hands?
- mdorazio 4y ago
  > commercial property tends to change ownership and undergo construction more often Definitely going to need to see a reference on that one.
- larkost 4y ago
  Prop. 13 means that a commercial renter can rent out the land to one tenant after another virtually forever without the taxes going up very much at all (way below inflation). At some point it gets to a point where it is never economically advantageous for either renter or landlord to ever have the landlord sell... the situation is only disadvantageous for the city/community (which is getting far less in taxes than other places). Remember that companies never die of old age.
  - imtringued 4y ago
    You should never sell land because ground rent doesn't disappear, land is a monopoly.
- abeppu 4y ago
  Even if commercial property is changing hands, there are well-known loopholes to structure that as multiple transactions, none of which transfer more than a 50% stake, and which therefore do not trigger a Prop 13 Reassessment. https://journal.firsttuesday.us/change-the-law-close-prop-13s-corporate-loophole/65104/ https://journal.firsttuesday.us/change-the-law-close-prop-13...
rcpt 4y ago
The intent of the law was malicious. That's why it applies everywhere. Angry voters wanted a "tax revolt". Jerry Brown's Prop 8, on the same ballot, would have given homeowners a specific break but they wanted blood.

btilly 4y ago

It does, but commercial property tends to change ownership and undergo construction more often. Therefore property taxes on commercial property tends to be higher. As a result, cities have an incentive to build commercial property over residential homes. The result is that the people working in those offices are competing for limited residential space (leading to high prices) and often have to settle for long commutes (leading to gridlock).

lapetitejort 4y ago
When was the last time Disneyland changed hands?
mdorazio 4y ago
> commercial property tends to change ownership and undergo construction more often Definitely going to need to see a reference on that one.
larkost 4y ago
Prop. 13 means that a commercial renter can rent out the land to one tenant after another virtually forever without the taxes going up very much at all (way below inflation). At some point it gets to a point where it is never economically advantageous for either renter or landlord to ever have the landlord sell... the situation is only disadvantageous for the city/community (which is getting far less in taxes than other places). Remember that companies never die of old age.
- imtringued 4y ago
  You should never sell land because ground rent doesn't disappear, land is a monopoly.
abeppu 4y ago
Even if commercial property is changing hands, there are well-known loopholes to structure that as multiple transactions, none of which transfer more than a 50% stake, and which therefore do not trigger a Prop 13 Reassessment. https://journal.firsttuesday.us/change-the-law-close-prop-13s-corporate-loophole/65104/ https://journal.firsttuesday.us/change-the-law-close-prop-13...

rcpt 4y ago

The intent of the law was malicious. That's why it applies everywhere. Angry voters wanted a "tax revolt". Jerry Brown's Prop 8, on the same ballot, would have given homeowners a specific break but they wanted blood.