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I would recommend reading some history books before saying these are depressing circumstances.

asdff 4y ago
Just because some people have suffered through worse doesn't mean that you can use that to invalidate someone else's suffering.
- ThrowawayR2 4y ago
  But when, for the vast majority of history, the population faced a much poorer, more monotonous, and less free existence than what the modern worker faces then you jolly well can.
  - asdff 4y ago
    That still doesn't invalidate people's mental conditions today.
  - pastacacioepepe 4y ago
    > the population faced a much poorer, more monotonous, and less free existence That's an over simplification. People could still have more free time than we do now[1], while their life could be more monotonous on some aspect, I believe an average office worker life today can be even more monotonous than what a serf life could be. You also have to consider labor alienation, which is a something that didn't exist so much before industrialization. Most importantly, life commonly revolved around tight communities, while today most people live in individualist societies. Individualism certainly has a larger impact on happiness than most modern convenience has. - [1]: https://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/users/rauch/worktime/hours_workweek.html https://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/users/rauch/worktime/hours_...
    - ThrowawayR2 4y ago
      If there are people today who want to put their money where their mouth is and give up the conveniences of modernity to go back to communal subsistence farming under serf-like conditions (and there are places in the world that still live like that), more power to them. I haven't seen any takers.
      - pastacacioepepe 4y ago
        I don't understand this need to make everything white or black, unless we want to pretend we live in a word as simple as a kids' novel. You can't just throw away milleniums of history and people because in the past 60 years we have become too lazy and addicted to modern convenience. No, preindustrial ages weren't the hell they're made to be nor a golden age by any means. The same can be said of today. Stop playing defensive and think openly instead, there's lot we can improve by learning from the past.
- pcmoney 4y ago
  It isn’t someone’s personal/unique suffering that I am invalidating. They are saying that we are having uniquely depressing times _in general_ which if you take a brief look at history is laughably invalid.

Just because some people have suffered through worse doesn't mean that you can use that to invalidate someone else's suffering.

ThrowawayR2 4y ago
But when, for the vast majority of history, the population faced a much poorer, more monotonous, and less free existence than what the modern worker faces then you jolly well can.
- asdff 4y ago
  That still doesn't invalidate people's mental conditions today.
- pastacacioepepe 4y ago
  > the population faced a much poorer, more monotonous, and less free existence That's an over simplification. People could still have more free time than we do now[1], while their life could be more monotonous on some aspect, I believe an average office worker life today can be even more monotonous than what a serf life could be. You also have to consider labor alienation, which is a something that didn't exist so much before industrialization. Most importantly, life commonly revolved around tight communities, while today most people live in individualist societies. Individualism certainly has a larger impact on happiness than most modern convenience has. - [1]: https://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/users/rauch/worktime/hours_workweek.html https://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/users/rauch/worktime/hours_...
  - ThrowawayR2 4y ago
    If there are people today who want to put their money where their mouth is and give up the conveniences of modernity to go back to communal subsistence farming under serf-like conditions (and there are places in the world that still live like that), more power to them. I haven't seen any takers.
    - pastacacioepepe 4y ago
      I don't understand this need to make everything white or black, unless we want to pretend we live in a word as simple as a kids' novel. You can't just throw away milleniums of history and people because in the past 60 years we have become too lazy and addicted to modern convenience. No, preindustrial ages weren't the hell they're made to be nor a golden age by any means. The same can be said of today. Stop playing defensive and think openly instead, there's lot we can improve by learning from the past.
pcmoney 4y ago
It isn’t someone’s personal/unique suffering that I am invalidating. They are saying that we are having uniquely depressing times _in general_ which if you take a brief look at history is laughably invalid.