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It drops support for 'older' versions of windows... Including older versions of win2k, winme, win98 etc. They're not only not supporting it, but they've remov

by illume 18y ago

It drops support for 'older' versions of windows... Including older versions of win2k, winme, win98 etc. They're not only not supporting it, but they've removed code for older versions of windows. So if you want to distribute portable apps, don't use 2.6+

rbanffy 18y ago
But who in his right mind would recommend people to use Windows versions prior to 2000?
- bayareaguy 18y ago
  I would, especially for people who use their computers mostly for business. Except for USB and PNP support, Windows 2000 is inferior to NT4SP2. However the Python guys are probably doing the right thing here because the right approach to making windows based business systems reliable is to disable everything possible on them, isolate them as much as you can, get things working and NOT upgrade them unless you absolutely have to.
  - briansmith 18y ago
    RE: "Windows 2000 is inferior to NT4SP2" Windows XP SP2 is basically the minimum version of Windows that you can use and expect a reasonable user experience. That includes the ability to install new (recently released) software. If you insist on old operating systems, then you should expect to run old applicatoins on them.
    - rbanffy 18y ago
      Will there be a 3.0 for VMS?
      - gaius 18y ago
        I hope so, since it's actually 9 years younger than Unix ;-)
        eru 18y ago
        Robert Metcalf [the inventor of Ethernet] says that if something comes along to replace Ethernet, it will be called “Ethernet”, so therefore Ethernet will never die. Unix has already undergone several such transformations. -- Ken Thompson [from http://www.faqs.org/docs/artu/ch01s02.html http://www.faqs.org/docs/artu/ch01s02.html]
- illume 18y ago
  If you make applications for windows, then you would understand that people either can't upgrade or won't. Their old machines don't work with newer versions of the OS's. For web developers this is fine, since they don't need to install programs. However for those of us that need to install programs, it's going to be sticking with python2.5 (or even 2.3 if you want better compatibility).
- greyman 18y ago
  >> But who in his right mind would recommend people to use Windows versions prior to 2000? I think this is a wrong question in this context. Software developer don't recommend OS to people, he delivers software, and the more platforms he supports, the better. Moreover, if someone has an old box with 98 or NT, what could he do when he don't want to buy a new PC?
johnp 18y ago
Remember though, Microsoft does not even support these many of those products anymore: http://support.microsoft.com/gp/lifeselectwin http://support.microsoft.com/gp/lifeselectwin Even .NET is not available on Windows 98/Me: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=262D25E3-F589-4842-8157-034D1E7CF3A3&displaylang=en http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=262...
- pchivers 18y ago
  Windows 2000 still has extended support for another 21 months, so I would definitely be disappointed if it wasn't supported in Python 2.6. http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?LN=en-ca&x=24&y=8&p1=3071 http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?LN=en-ca&x=24&#3...
  - cstejerean 18y ago
    The fact that MS is keeping Windows 2000 on life support does not mean anyone else should waste their time to support that platform. Running ancient operating systems should come with the expectation of not being able to use new software.
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rwiser 18y ago
I would be surprised if 2.6 did _not_ run on WinNT, Win2K or later. I know they dropped support for Win9x variants (Win95, WinME or earlier). Do you have a reference on Python 2.6 dropping support for win2k?
- tcskeptic 18y ago
  From here: http://docs.python.org/whatsnew/2.6.html http://docs.python.org/whatsnew/2.6.html It is pretty clear that support for WIN2K, at least SP4 is NOT being dropped. "The support for Windows 95, 98, ME and NT4 has been dropped. Python 2.6 requires at least Windows 2000 SP4."
jodrellblank 18y ago
That rather depends on your definition of portable - I mean, even if they included win98, you'd still likely be stuck with Python 1.5 for Windows CE 1, and no Python for many systems. That it works on several of the most common, different, platforms in use today, I vote that counts as "portable" - reasonably so. Another way of looking at it is not how many Win98 systems are there, but that there is (presumably) nobody willing to jump in and argue and offer to support Python 2.6 on Win98 - so how in demand can it be?
- illume 18y ago
  python 2.5 works fine with win95 and win98. We're talking at least 1%-3%1 of machines on the internet here. That's a sizable chunk of people. based on wc3 stats... which aren't all that representative.

by illume 18y ago

rbanffy 18y ago

But who in his right mind would recommend people to use Windows versions prior to 2000?

bayareaguy 18y ago
I would, especially for people who use their computers mostly for business. Except for USB and PNP support, Windows 2000 is inferior to NT4SP2. However the Python guys are probably doing the right thing here because the right approach to making windows based business systems reliable is to disable everything possible on them, isolate them as much as you can, get things working and NOT upgrade them unless you absolutely have to.
- briansmith 18y ago
  RE: "Windows 2000 is inferior to NT4SP2" Windows XP SP2 is basically the minimum version of Windows that you can use and expect a reasonable user experience. That includes the ability to install new (recently released) software. If you insist on old operating systems, then you should expect to run old applicatoins on them.
  - rbanffy 18y ago
    Will there be a 3.0 for VMS?
    - gaius 18y ago
      I hope so, since it's actually 9 years younger than Unix ;-)
      - eru 18y ago
        Robert Metcalf [the inventor of Ethernet] says that if something comes along to replace Ethernet, it will be called “Ethernet”, so therefore Ethernet will never die. Unix has already undergone several such transformations. -- Ken Thompson [from http://www.faqs.org/docs/artu/ch01s02.html http://www.faqs.org/docs/artu/ch01s02.html]
illume 18y ago
If you make applications for windows, then you would understand that people either can't upgrade or won't. Their old machines don't work with newer versions of the OS's. For web developers this is fine, since they don't need to install programs. However for those of us that need to install programs, it's going to be sticking with python2.5 (or even 2.3 if you want better compatibility).
greyman 18y ago
>> But who in his right mind would recommend people to use Windows versions prior to 2000? I think this is a wrong question in this context. Software developer don't recommend OS to people, he delivers software, and the more platforms he supports, the better. Moreover, if someone has an old box with 98 or NT, what could he do when he don't want to buy a new PC?

johnp 18y ago

Remember though, Microsoft does not even support these many of those products anymore: http://support.microsoft.com/gp/lifeselectwin http://support.microsoft.com/gp/lifeselectwin Even .NET is not available on Windows 98/Me: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=262D25E3-F589-4842-8157-034D1E7CF3A3&displaylang=en http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=262...

pchivers 18y ago
Windows 2000 still has extended support for another 21 months, so I would definitely be disappointed if it wasn't supported in Python 2.6. http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?LN=en-ca&x=24&y=8&p1=3071 http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?LN=en-ca&x=24&#3...
- cstejerean 18y ago
  The fact that MS is keeping Windows 2000 on life support does not mean anyone else should waste their time to support that platform. Running ancient operating systems should come with the expectation of not being able to use new software.

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rwiser 18y ago

I would be surprised if 2.6 did _not_ run on WinNT, Win2K or later. I know they dropped support for Win9x variants (Win95, WinME or earlier). Do you have a reference on Python 2.6 dropping support for win2k?

tcskeptic 18y ago
From here: http://docs.python.org/whatsnew/2.6.html http://docs.python.org/whatsnew/2.6.html It is pretty clear that support for WIN2K, at least SP4 is NOT being dropped. "The support for Windows 95, 98, ME and NT4 has been dropped. Python 2.6 requires at least Windows 2000 SP4."

jodrellblank 18y ago

That rather depends on your definition of portable - I mean, even if they included win98, you'd still likely be stuck with Python 1.5 for Windows CE 1, and no Python for many systems. That it works on several of the most common, different, platforms in use today, I vote that counts as "portable" - reasonably so. Another way of looking at it is not how many Win98 systems are there, but that there is (presumably) nobody willing to jump in and argue and offer to support Python 2.6 on Win98 - so how in demand can it be?

illume 18y ago
python 2.5 works fine with win95 and win98. We're talking at least 1%-3%1 of machines on the internet here. That's a sizable chunk of people. based on wc3 stats... which aren't all that representative.