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You're conflating the 1st Amendment with free speech. The former is rooted in the latter. Free speech is a natural right, applicable to all situations. This is

You're conflating the 1st Amendment with free speech. The former is rooted in the latter. Free speech is a natural right, applicable to all situations. This is a free speech issue.

yucky 4y ago
This is the argument used by people who think you should be able to say anything on Facebook, Twitter etc. And the response is always the same - you have the right to say what you want, but there are consequences. In this case, firing.
- Gigachad 4y ago
  You made the same mistake as the higher comment. Yes, this is how it works legally in the US. But the concept of free speech is not tied to US law. It is a free speech issue and it’s perfectly conceivable that a countries laws would reflect these rights for social media protections.
  - xref 4y ago
    You’re agreeing with the op. You do have free speech on social media. You also have consequences. Same as on the street, work, school, playground, grocery store, car dealership…
    - Gigachad 4y ago
      Employers should not and can not apply consequences for any reason they like. You could say “you are free to wear any color shirt you like, but if you pick the wrong one, you could be fired”. That may be true in America but it isn’t in other countries. Arguably some speech on social media should be protected and not a reason for employment termination.
      - yucky 4y ago
        >Arguably some speech on social media should be protected and not a reason for employment termination. Why? Not saying I disagree, but I find the selective support of this concept interesting. So I'm curious to hear your argument and the framework for determining what speech should be protected on a private platform.
        Gigachad 4y ago
        The problem in my view is tech companies have squeezed their way in to our lives and managed to get the majority to post their private conversations publicly. So posting a mild complaint about your place of work on social media has become today's version of complaining to a friend in person or on the phone. Yes I do think employers do have reason to want to protect their image online, but I also don't like the situation where people are always under public watch. So either you should be allowed to say these things on social media without losing your job, or social media companies should be cracked down on for what they have done.
        yucky 4y ago
        >So posting a mild complaint about your place of work on social media has become today's version of complaining to a friend in person or on the phone. Significant difference in audience size and staying power of the comment. Telling a person privately stays private and is likely gone forever. Even if they blab to someone it's just second hand at that point. Posting shit about your employer on social media is more akin to putting it on a billboard or writing an op-ed in the paper trashing them.
        Gigachad 4y ago
        Yes, but newspapers didn’t socially engineer everyone in to writing these things and publishing them to the world. It was the norm for your comments to be private and forgotten. Now it’s the norm for the same style of comments to be public. I’m saying the system is at fault here. Either what the tech companies have done or the fact that a normal action is now a firable offence which has become a new problem.

You're conflating the 1st Amendment with free speech. The former is rooted in the latter. Free speech is a natural right, applicable to all situations. This is a free speech issue.

yucky 4y ago

This is the argument used by people who think you should be able to say anything on Facebook, Twitter etc. And the response is always the same - you have the right to say what you want, but there are consequences. In this case, firing.

Gigachad 4y ago
You made the same mistake as the higher comment. Yes, this is how it works legally in the US. But the concept of free speech is not tied to US law. It is a free speech issue and it’s perfectly conceivable that a countries laws would reflect these rights for social media protections.
- xref 4y ago
  You’re agreeing with the op. You do have free speech on social media. You also have consequences. Same as on the street, work, school, playground, grocery store, car dealership…
  - Gigachad 4y ago
    Employers should not and can not apply consequences for any reason they like. You could say “you are free to wear any color shirt you like, but if you pick the wrong one, you could be fired”. That may be true in America but it isn’t in other countries. Arguably some speech on social media should be protected and not a reason for employment termination.
    - yucky 4y ago
      >Arguably some speech on social media should be protected and not a reason for employment termination. Why? Not saying I disagree, but I find the selective support of this concept interesting. So I'm curious to hear your argument and the framework for determining what speech should be protected on a private platform.
      - Gigachad 4y ago
        The problem in my view is tech companies have squeezed their way in to our lives and managed to get the majority to post their private conversations publicly. So posting a mild complaint about your place of work on social media has become today's version of complaining to a friend in person or on the phone. Yes I do think employers do have reason to want to protect their image online, but I also don't like the situation where people are always under public watch. So either you should be allowed to say these things on social media without losing your job, or social media companies should be cracked down on for what they have done.
        yucky 4y ago
        >So posting a mild complaint about your place of work on social media has become today's version of complaining to a friend in person or on the phone. Significant difference in audience size and staying power of the comment. Telling a person privately stays private and is likely gone forever. Even if they blab to someone it's just second hand at that point. Posting shit about your employer on social media is more akin to putting it on a billboard or writing an op-ed in the paper trashing them.
        Gigachad 4y ago
        Yes, but newspapers didn’t socially engineer everyone in to writing these things and publishing them to the world. It was the norm for your comments to be private and forgotten. Now it’s the norm for the same style of comments to be public. I’m saying the system is at fault here. Either what the tech companies have done or the fact that a normal action is now a firable offence which has become a new problem.