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Yes, it's a combination of both the primary mirror and struts. The JWST website has a very helpful infographic explaining: https://webbtelescope.org/contents/me

by rbliss 4y ago

Yes, it's a combination of both the primary mirror and struts. The JWST website has a very helpful infographic explaining: https://webbtelescope.org/contents/media/images/01G529MX46J7AFK61GAMSHKSSN?page=2&filterUUID=91dfa083-c258-4f9f-bef1-8f40c26f4c97 https://webbtelescope.org/contents/media/images/01G529MX46J7...

MontagFTB 4y ago
You beat me to it- incredibly helpful diagram. Thanks for sharing it.
coldpie 4y ago
Wow, thanks for this link. The level of communication around JWST's technology and launch has been amazing, and this is a great example of that.
moffkalast 4y ago
That's quite exhaustive, but it makes me wonder why isn't anything done to correct for that. Like for example instead of taking one 15h exposure, why not take three 5h exposures and roll the telescope 5 degrees in between, then median filter out the artefacts?
- sbierwagen 4y ago
  JWST does have a roll dither mode: https://jwst-docs.stsci.edu/jwst-general-support/jwst-dithering-overview#JWSTDitheringOverview-Rolldithers(coronagraphy) https://jwst-docs.stsci.edu/jwst-general-support/jwst-dither... Don't know why they didn't use it. Maybe they were trying to observe as many targets as possible for the initial release of imagery.
- AnonMO 4y ago
  It took like 5 months to cool web to operational temperatures rolling the telescope would create so much heat all new images would be useless until it cools down again.
  - moffkalast 4y ago
    That makes no sense, they have to rotate it every time they take a picture otherwise they'd be looking at the same spot all the time. Motors don't emit that much heat and neither do torque wheels. Though I suppose now that I think of it, it's possible the main mirror assembly actually has no built in roll control but only pitch, since the yaw part could be done by moving the entire telescope while remaining shaded. I've never seen any videos showing the full movement, but the previews for LUVIOR show it having full 3 degree articulation relative to the heatsink segment, so I assumed the Webb also has it given that they're extremely similar designs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzFEaCYhmEs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzFEaCYhmEs
    - akira2501 4y ago
      > otherwise they'd be looking at the same spot all the time It's in an orbit around L2, so it's not statically positioned in space. L2 also moves with the earth around the Sun, so it's not statically limited to any one region of the sky.
    - AnonMO 4y ago
      LUVIOR is not web. Web doesn't have articulation like LUVIOR its fixed only the mirror segements move. also they don't rorate everytime they take a picture there's limitations beacuse its an infered telescope. https://jwst-docs.stsci.edu/jwst-observatory-characteristics/jwst-observatory-coordinate-system-and-field-of-regard https://jwst-docs.stsci.edu/jwst-observatory-characteristics.... Web also has a field of view 15x hubble
- creatonez 4y ago
  Mainly because it doesn't matter. They're not looking at the stars in the foreground, they're looking at the background which is much further away. The diffraction pattern is actually super dim -- those foreground stars are just very bright due to the exposure.
creatonez 4y ago
Here is an image showing how each part of the distortion comes about - https://bigthink.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/FOFC8ZPX0AIB-Ho.png https://bigthink.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/FOFC8ZPX0AIB...

by rbliss 4y ago

MontagFTB 4y ago

You beat me to it- incredibly helpful diagram. Thanks for sharing it.

coldpie 4y ago

Wow, thanks for this link. The level of communication around JWST's technology and launch has been amazing, and this is a great example of that.

moffkalast 4y ago

That's quite exhaustive, but it makes me wonder why isn't anything done to correct for that. Like for example instead of taking one 15h exposure, why not take three 5h exposures and roll the telescope 5 degrees in between, then median filter out the artefacts?

sbierwagen 4y ago
JWST does have a roll dither mode: https://jwst-docs.stsci.edu/jwst-general-support/jwst-dithering-overview#JWSTDitheringOverview-Rolldithers(coronagraphy) https://jwst-docs.stsci.edu/jwst-general-support/jwst-dither... Don't know why they didn't use it. Maybe they were trying to observe as many targets as possible for the initial release of imagery.
AnonMO 4y ago
It took like 5 months to cool web to operational temperatures rolling the telescope would create so much heat all new images would be useless until it cools down again.
- moffkalast 4y ago
  That makes no sense, they have to rotate it every time they take a picture otherwise they'd be looking at the same spot all the time. Motors don't emit that much heat and neither do torque wheels. Though I suppose now that I think of it, it's possible the main mirror assembly actually has no built in roll control but only pitch, since the yaw part could be done by moving the entire telescope while remaining shaded. I've never seen any videos showing the full movement, but the previews for LUVIOR show it having full 3 degree articulation relative to the heatsink segment, so I assumed the Webb also has it given that they're extremely similar designs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzFEaCYhmEs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzFEaCYhmEs
  - akira2501 4y ago
    > otherwise they'd be looking at the same spot all the time It's in an orbit around L2, so it's not statically positioned in space. L2 also moves with the earth around the Sun, so it's not statically limited to any one region of the sky.
  - AnonMO 4y ago
    LUVIOR is not web. Web doesn't have articulation like LUVIOR its fixed only the mirror segements move. also they don't rorate everytime they take a picture there's limitations beacuse its an infered telescope. https://jwst-docs.stsci.edu/jwst-observatory-characteristics/jwst-observatory-coordinate-system-and-field-of-regard https://jwst-docs.stsci.edu/jwst-observatory-characteristics.... Web also has a field of view 15x hubble
creatonez 4y ago
Mainly because it doesn't matter. They're not looking at the stars in the foreground, they're looking at the background which is much further away. The diffraction pattern is actually super dim -- those foreground stars are just very bright due to the exposure.

creatonez 4y ago

Here is an image showing how each part of the distortion comes about - https://bigthink.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/FOFC8ZPX0AIB-Ho.png https://bigthink.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/FOFC8ZPX0AIB...