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The UK requires consultation, regardless of industry or union status, for all layoffs (redundancies) of 20 staff or over: https://www.gov.uk/redundancy-your-rig

The UK requires consultation, regardless of industry or union status, for all layoffs (redundancies) of 20 staff or over: https://www.gov.uk/redundancy-your-rights/consultation https://www.gov.uk/redundancy-your-rights/consultation

petercooper 4y ago
It's a rule, but it's not a criminal offence for an employer to ignore those rules if they're happy to take their chances in an employment tribunal. Given cases are taking a year to even reach a hearing now thanks to our incompetent government, it's no surprise that employers will chance it. See P&O: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60789612 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60789612
- jsty 4y ago
  > it's not a criminal offence for an employer to ignore those rules if they're happy to take their chances in an employment tribunal I'm not an employment lawyer, but to the best of my knowledge this is incorrect - mass redundancies of 20+ people need to be notified to the government in advance, and failure to do so carries criminal penalties. P&O seems to have escaped this requirement (at least for now) owing to maritime employment being a special case and jurisdictional issues https://www.rsmuk.com/ideas-and-insights/legal/mass-redundancies-legal-requirements-that-must-be-met https://www.rsmuk.com/ideas-and-insights/legal/mass-redundan...
- Robin_Message 4y ago
  You're both right: for >=20 redundancies, it is merely something the employee can take up at tribunal. For >=100 redundancies, notice to the Secretary of State is required and not giving notice is a criminal offence, by both the company, and also any officer/director/similar who is involved in not giving notice: https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1992/52/section/194 https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1992/52/section/194 A level five fine on the standard scale is (since 2015) technically unlimited, so it's not a toothless law. Not sure if anyone has even been prosecuted though.

petercooper 4y ago

It's a rule, but it's not a criminal offence for an employer to ignore those rules if they're happy to take their chances in an employment tribunal. Given cases are taking a year to even reach a hearing now thanks to our incompetent government, it's no surprise that employers will chance it. See P&O: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60789612 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60789612

jsty 4y ago
> it's not a criminal offence for an employer to ignore those rules if they're happy to take their chances in an employment tribunal I'm not an employment lawyer, but to the best of my knowledge this is incorrect - mass redundancies of 20+ people need to be notified to the government in advance, and failure to do so carries criminal penalties. P&O seems to have escaped this requirement (at least for now) owing to maritime employment being a special case and jurisdictional issues https://www.rsmuk.com/ideas-and-insights/legal/mass-redundancies-legal-requirements-that-must-be-met https://www.rsmuk.com/ideas-and-insights/legal/mass-redundan...
Robin_Message 4y ago
You're both right: for >=20 redundancies, it is merely something the employee can take up at tribunal. For >=100 redundancies, notice to the Secretary of State is required and not giving notice is a criminal offence, by both the company, and also any officer/director/similar who is involved in not giving notice: https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1992/52/section/194 https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1992/52/section/194 A level five fine on the standard scale is (since 2015) technically unlimited, so it's not a toothless law. Not sure if anyone has even been prosecuted though.