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If you're angry about this, I can't imagine how angry you'll be when you find out our government sent 40 billion to pay Ukranian pensions from another illegal p

If you're angry about this, I can't imagine how angry you'll be when you find out our government sent 40 billion to pay Ukranian pensions from another illegal proxy war they helped start and have funded for the past eight years. The US government doesn't care about its citizenry and the two political parties play off one another to further enable their own agendas and further divide the citizenry. They are no different and neither has our best intentions in mind. They do whatever they can to retain and hold onto power, and once in positions of power they abdicate their duties and do whatever they want or fulfill the agenda of whomever they are bought by. The sooner people start realizing this, the better off everyone in this country, and the world will be. It's not like the US is the only country where corrupt and morally bankrupt leaders are running the show.

serial_dev 4y ago
I wish I had your optimism and think that the money the US sends over is to "pay Ukrainian pensions". That money will find its way to corporations, corrupt officials, warlords, weapons manufacturers. Very little of that money will be spent to actually help the average people there and ease their suffering.
- hahaitsfunny 4y ago
  Oh, I know - most likely it will contribute to more death and destruction or as you described, wind up in some corrupt official / warlord / oligarch's pocket. There are no good guys in corrupt and evil wars, yet people love to try and pick one. If folks new the whole story behind this war and the history of the region and US / NGO intervention in it, before throwing their support blindly behind a cause because their government and media told them to, I believe the sentiment around this war would be much different and no one would be cheering either side on in it. It's just like Medicare and prescription drugs though - trusting citizens expect their government to enact policy that has their best interests at heart. Then they don't, and they turn around and vote for them again anyway. Then they'll wag the finger across the aisle and find some other virtuous cause to distract from the fact they're being screwed over by the very leaders they voted for, that turned around and lied to their faces. Military industrial complex, big pharma, our state-run media - It doesn't really matter what sector the federal government decides to get in bed with, people complain about it and then go right back to the polls to signal their willingness and intent to go through with another cycle of it all over again.
TrackerFF 4y ago
At this point the war was inevitable, and turning a blind eye would probably just embolden Russia even more - better to let them meet real resistance in outsider-Ukraine, compared to directly fighting them in some NATO country, like one of the Baltic countries. Not to mention the signal that would send to China. If one of the goals to the US gov. is to also save American lives, then obviously a proxy war is more favorable than a direct conflict. Not doing anything at all was never an option for the US - sans of having a Russian puppet ruler as president, and deliberately going for isolationism.

serial_dev 4y ago

I wish I had your optimism and think that the money the US sends over is to "pay Ukrainian pensions". That money will find its way to corporations, corrupt officials, warlords, weapons manufacturers. Very little of that money will be spent to actually help the average people there and ease their suffering.

hahaitsfunny 4y ago
Oh, I know - most likely it will contribute to more death and destruction or as you described, wind up in some corrupt official / warlord / oligarch's pocket. There are no good guys in corrupt and evil wars, yet people love to try and pick one. If folks new the whole story behind this war and the history of the region and US / NGO intervention in it, before throwing their support blindly behind a cause because their government and media told them to, I believe the sentiment around this war would be much different and no one would be cheering either side on in it. It's just like Medicare and prescription drugs though - trusting citizens expect their government to enact policy that has their best interests at heart. Then they don't, and they turn around and vote for them again anyway. Then they'll wag the finger across the aisle and find some other virtuous cause to distract from the fact they're being screwed over by the very leaders they voted for, that turned around and lied to their faces. Military industrial complex, big pharma, our state-run media - It doesn't really matter what sector the federal government decides to get in bed with, people complain about it and then go right back to the polls to signal their willingness and intent to go through with another cycle of it all over again.

TrackerFF 4y ago

At this point the war was inevitable, and turning a blind eye would probably just embolden Russia even more - better to let them meet real resistance in outsider-Ukraine, compared to directly fighting them in some NATO country, like one of the Baltic countries. Not to mention the signal that would send to China. If one of the goals to the US gov. is to also save American lives, then obviously a proxy war is more favorable than a direct conflict. Not doing anything at all was never an option for the US - sans of having a Russian puppet ruler as president, and deliberately going for isolationism.