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No surprise - when you mess with political-insider incumbents, you go down hard (unlike ghislaine maxwell)

tablespoon 4y ago
> you go down hard (unlike ghislaine maxwell) What do you mean? I haven't been following that case, but it looks like she got a 20 year prison sentence, which I would consider "going down hard." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghislaine_Maxwell#Conviction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghislaine_Maxwell#Conviction
- pelagicAustral 4y ago
  Definitely hard 20. Just like Phil Leotardo, I hope she can compromise and spend the 20 years without a peep.
- gen220 4y ago
  I don't really have an opinion but was curious. Official stats from 2018 [1] tell me the average sentencing for sexual abuse was 191 months (15 years, 11 months). Her sentencing is 25.6% longer than the U.S. mean for sexual abuse in 2018. I'm not familiar with the standard deviation for this stat (it could be a 3 sigma event for all I know). I still don't have an opinion, but it's a good stat to know. [1] https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/research-and-publications/quick-facts/Sexual_Abuse_FY18.pdf https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/research-and-pu...
  - lordnacho 4y ago
    But has she committed an average crime? Seems she did it in an industrial scale, whereas most offenders probably weren't.
    - gen220 4y ago
      I'm definitely not suggesting her crime was average, rather I was curious to understand how her sentence fits into the statistical distribution of sexual abuse sentences. Because I had no idea whether 20 is crazy high, bang average, crazy low. Unfortunately, without having the standard deviation of the distribution, it's difficult to draw strong conclusions from these data points. All we can really say is that she received a 25.6%-higher-than-average sentence. 25.6% above the mean could be an "industrial scale" number of standard deviations above the mean, we have no idea. Knowing HN, I hope it's only a matter of time before someone computes it for us!
      - rascul 4y ago
        Do those statistics include trafficking? I don't see it mentioned in the PDF but maybe it's included in the other category.
- ALittleLight 4y ago
  Plus Ghislaine and Epstein were also messing with political insiders.
x3n0ph3n3 4y ago
> (unlike ghislaine maxwell) The woman who was sentenced to 20 years in federal prison?
willcipriano 4y ago
I think you mean Ghislaine Maxwell's clients. Those guys are all too big to jail.
wollsmoth 4y ago
She's going to be 80 when she gets out of prison.
dang 4y ago
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> you go down hard (unlike ghislaine maxwell) What do you mean? I haven't been following that case, but it looks like she got a 20 year prison sentence, which I would consider "going down hard." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghislaine_Maxwell#Conviction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghislaine_Maxwell#Conviction

pelagicAustral 4y ago
Definitely hard 20. Just like Phil Leotardo, I hope she can compromise and spend the 20 years without a peep.
gen220 4y ago
I don't really have an opinion but was curious. Official stats from 2018 [1] tell me the average sentencing for sexual abuse was 191 months (15 years, 11 months). Her sentencing is 25.6% longer than the U.S. mean for sexual abuse in 2018. I'm not familiar with the standard deviation for this stat (it could be a 3 sigma event for all I know). I still don't have an opinion, but it's a good stat to know. [1] https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/research-and-publications/quick-facts/Sexual_Abuse_FY18.pdf https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/research-and-pu...
- lordnacho 4y ago
  But has she committed an average crime? Seems she did it in an industrial scale, whereas most offenders probably weren't.
  - gen220 4y ago
    I'm definitely not suggesting her crime was average, rather I was curious to understand how her sentence fits into the statistical distribution of sexual abuse sentences. Because I had no idea whether 20 is crazy high, bang average, crazy low. Unfortunately, without having the standard deviation of the distribution, it's difficult to draw strong conclusions from these data points. All we can really say is that she received a 25.6%-higher-than-average sentence. 25.6% above the mean could be an "industrial scale" number of standard deviations above the mean, we have no idea. Knowing HN, I hope it's only a matter of time before someone computes it for us!
    - rascul 4y ago
      Do those statistics include trafficking? I don't see it mentioned in the PDF but maybe it's included in the other category.
ALittleLight 4y ago
Plus Ghislaine and Epstein were also messing with political insiders.

x3n0ph3n3 4y ago

> (unlike ghislaine maxwell) The woman who was sentenced to 20 years in federal prison?

willcipriano 4y ago

I think you mean Ghislaine Maxwell's clients. Those guys are all too big to jail.

wollsmoth 4y ago

She's going to be 80 when she gets out of prison.

dang 4y ago

Your account has been using HN primarily for political/ideological battle and flamewar. That's the at which we ban accounts, so I've banned the account. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. They're here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.