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Users make information available on facebook with the expectation that they are able to later control access to it (other than the obvious threat model of scree

Users make information available on facebook with the expectation that they are able to later control access to it (other than the obvious threat model of screenshotting, etc). This is violating that expectation and thus their privacy.

falcolas 4y ago
> they are able to later control access to it This has never realistically been the case. An illusion of control is provided by facebook, but they've never really put much effort into it. For a really simple example, look at how long content remained available to the entire internet after "deletion". Sometimes it took years. Expecting any semblance of privacy from a company who profits from using and selling your data is, if I'm being blunt, lunacy.
gfodor 4y ago
This is a false expectation and it’s important people learn this.
- IfOnlyYouKnew 4y ago
  They’ll stop posting in the way they currently enjoy and will, therefore, have lost some freedom. Great outcome! In other news: your partner may also leak your most intimate secrets. I hope they do, to teach you a lesson? Every trust can be betrayed. Why do you believe a world without trust would be better? Only because you cannot handle the nuance of different levels of trust?
  - gfodor 4y ago
    The counterparty risk from Facebook has almost nothing to do with trust of individual human beings. It has to do with the nature of systems, failure, vulnerabilities, attack surface area, etc. It's "privacy through obscurity" to act in a way that your data is not on the precipice of being leaked by a bad actor or a mistake.
  - ogurechny 4y ago
    So taking shackles off is called “losing freedom” now? Also, people enjoy many things, just look at the junkheads. Still, it's more natural to have trust in a heroin addict than to have trust in businesses like Facebook.
  - the_fury 4y ago
    "They’ll stop posting in the way they currently enjoy and will, therefore, have lost some freedom." That is, quite honestly, one of the oddest definitions of freedom I've come across.
  - vorpalhex 4y ago
    The freedom to live in a fictional world where Facebook safeguards your data is just as available regardless the reality of the situation. The reality of the situation is that Facebook is a walled garden built on the labor of it's users and it is objecting to those users reclaiming the fruits of their labor by scraping.
  - woojoo666 4y ago
    > In other news: your partner may also leak your most intimate secrets Indeed, and that's why it's important to choose the right partner. Likewise, it's important to choose the right friends on instagram to share your photos with. Because as you noted, they can always screenshot away and there's nothing Facebook can do. What's dangerous is thinking that Facebook/Meta is the keyholder. That's a false perception, perpetrated by Facebook because they want to monopolize everyone's data. It was and always will be about the people who you share your information with. Don't want your profile scraped and leaked? Don't share it with sketchy people.
Nextgrid 4y ago
There's no evidence of the accused scraper sharing the scraped data with anyone but the account-holder, so the privacy of their friends is still protected.

falcolas 4y ago

> they are able to later control access to it This has never realistically been the case. An illusion of control is provided by facebook, but they've never really put much effort into it. For a really simple example, look at how long content remained available to the entire internet after "deletion". Sometimes it took years. Expecting any semblance of privacy from a company who profits from using and selling your data is, if I'm being blunt, lunacy.

gfodor 4y ago

This is a false expectation and it’s important people learn this.

IfOnlyYouKnew 4y ago
They’ll stop posting in the way they currently enjoy and will, therefore, have lost some freedom. Great outcome! In other news: your partner may also leak your most intimate secrets. I hope they do, to teach you a lesson? Every trust can be betrayed. Why do you believe a world without trust would be better? Only because you cannot handle the nuance of different levels of trust?
- gfodor 4y ago
  The counterparty risk from Facebook has almost nothing to do with trust of individual human beings. It has to do with the nature of systems, failure, vulnerabilities, attack surface area, etc. It's "privacy through obscurity" to act in a way that your data is not on the precipice of being leaked by a bad actor or a mistake.
- ogurechny 4y ago
  So taking shackles off is called “losing freedom” now? Also, people enjoy many things, just look at the junkheads. Still, it's more natural to have trust in a heroin addict than to have trust in businesses like Facebook.
- the_fury 4y ago
  "They’ll stop posting in the way they currently enjoy and will, therefore, have lost some freedom." That is, quite honestly, one of the oddest definitions of freedom I've come across.
- vorpalhex 4y ago
  The freedom to live in a fictional world where Facebook safeguards your data is just as available regardless the reality of the situation. The reality of the situation is that Facebook is a walled garden built on the labor of it's users and it is objecting to those users reclaiming the fruits of their labor by scraping.
- woojoo666 4y ago
  > In other news: your partner may also leak your most intimate secrets Indeed, and that's why it's important to choose the right partner. Likewise, it's important to choose the right friends on instagram to share your photos with. Because as you noted, they can always screenshot away and there's nothing Facebook can do. What's dangerous is thinking that Facebook/Meta is the keyholder. That's a false perception, perpetrated by Facebook because they want to monopolize everyone's data. It was and always will be about the people who you share your information with. Don't want your profile scraped and leaked? Don't share it with sketchy people.

Nextgrid 4y ago

There's no evidence of the accused scraper sharing the scraped data with anyone but the account-holder, so the privacy of their friends is still protected.