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> Do you want to know what success is? You’re not describing what success “is”. You are just describing something then calling it “success”. The whole setup

> Do you want to know what success is? You’re not describing what success “is”. You are just describing something then calling it “success”. The whole setup is like bad Platonic philosophy. Socrates: what is success? Useful idiot: Money! Socrates: Ah, but will your money miss you after you die? Useful idiot: Wow! Deep!

phs318u 4y ago
The exercise is not about whether you'll be missed afterwards. Its to elicit the reflection on "What behaviour in my life would result in that effect?" It's about reflecting on what it takes to be a good person - and then living accordingly. You may be entirely alone in this world, parents dead, no siblings, no partner, no children and not even friends - but you can still perform this thought exercise and live accordingly.
- burrows 4y ago
  > It's about reflecting on what it takes to be a good person I don’t think invoking the usually incoherently used word “good” is very helpful.
  - phs318u 4y ago
    If "good" is too hard to define, maybe "asshole" is less so? In which case, be the opposite of an asshole.
    - burrows 4y ago
      > In which case, be the opposite of an asshole. Why?
      - phs318u 4y ago
        Being an asshole is something you can only be as a result of interaction with others in some way. A perfect hermit can’t be an asshole. Therefore, assuming being an asshole means your interactions with others are negatively felt, you’re therefore imposing your will on others at the expense of others. It’s fundamentally anti/democratic and anti-social. The reason that’s important is because we live in a society and well functioning society requires its members to play nice. Otherwise it begins to fall apart. In other words, I’m saying you should logically choose to not be an asshole. Assuming of course you gain some benefit from being part of a functioning society.
        burrows 4y ago
        But don’t I benefit most by covertly defecting (crypto-assholing) in a well functioning society? Then I get the standard benefits of the society and some stolen ones.
        phs318u 4y ago
        Maybe, maybe not. Are there victimless crimes? A lot of people may think insurance fraud is such a thing but clearly that's a narrow view of "victimless". I do think you're right at some level or else being an asshole wouldn't have any survival advantage and would perhaps not have survived as a trait (assuming some heritable basis for being an asshole). But then how do you explain people who seemingly derive joy from pure trolling? No personal benefit other than lulz. Sounds a little sociopathic no? Then again, maybe these people are nature's chaos monkyes. Sowing the seeds of destructive change. Who knows. I just know that I personally choose to try and not be an asshole.
        burrows 4y ago
        What is the downside to you for being an asshole? Especially if no one is aware of it besides you?

phs318u 4y ago

The exercise is not about whether you'll be missed afterwards. Its to elicit the reflection on "What behaviour in my life would result in that effect?" It's about reflecting on what it takes to be a good person - and then living accordingly. You may be entirely alone in this world, parents dead, no siblings, no partner, no children and not even friends - but you can still perform this thought exercise and live accordingly.

burrows 4y ago
> It's about reflecting on what it takes to be a good person I don’t think invoking the usually incoherently used word “good” is very helpful.
- phs318u 4y ago
  If "good" is too hard to define, maybe "asshole" is less so? In which case, be the opposite of an asshole.
  - burrows 4y ago
    > In which case, be the opposite of an asshole. Why?
    - phs318u 4y ago
      Being an asshole is something you can only be as a result of interaction with others in some way. A perfect hermit can’t be an asshole. Therefore, assuming being an asshole means your interactions with others are negatively felt, you’re therefore imposing your will on others at the expense of others. It’s fundamentally anti/democratic and anti-social. The reason that’s important is because we live in a society and well functioning society requires its members to play nice. Otherwise it begins to fall apart. In other words, I’m saying you should logically choose to not be an asshole. Assuming of course you gain some benefit from being part of a functioning society.
      - burrows 4y ago
        But don’t I benefit most by covertly defecting (crypto-assholing) in a well functioning society? Then I get the standard benefits of the society and some stolen ones.
        phs318u 4y ago
        Maybe, maybe not. Are there victimless crimes? A lot of people may think insurance fraud is such a thing but clearly that's a narrow view of "victimless". I do think you're right at some level or else being an asshole wouldn't have any survival advantage and would perhaps not have survived as a trait (assuming some heritable basis for being an asshole). But then how do you explain people who seemingly derive joy from pure trolling? No personal benefit other than lulz. Sounds a little sociopathic no? Then again, maybe these people are nature's chaos monkyes. Sowing the seeds of destructive change. Who knows. I just know that I personally choose to try and not be an asshole.
        burrows 4y ago
        What is the downside to you for being an asshole? Especially if no one is aware of it besides you?