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What do you say the relative of someone who had a vaccine and immediately became crippled and couldn't walk because the reaction damaged their inner-ear? Just

by dogfu 15y ago

What do you say the relative of someone who had a vaccine and immediately became crippled and couldn't walk because the reaction damaged their inner-ear? Just co-incidence? No p-value with a sample of one? Would you make them take that vaccine? Or let 'em slide on this one? I'm not sure your government regulations would deal with this case. The immune system is an organ like the muscles, brain and heart. Putting a little stress on these organs is actually good. Just because the autism/vaccine fiasco was fraud doesn't invalidate all concerns. For instance the school system forcing girls to get "anti-cancer" vaccines when there is an effect alternative (i.e. "dont' be a promiscuous"). The parents can make that choice ... or the kid when she becomes a teenager. If polio or small-pox are threats, certainly the good out weighs the bad. But chicken-pox? Not so clear cut. AIDS? Again, don't sleep around and dont jab things in your body and you won't get AIDS.

scythe 15y ago
>What do you say the relative of someone who had a vaccine and immediately became crippled and couldn't walk because the reaction damaged their inner-ear? The same thing you say to the person who got struck by lightning five times. On a societal level, you work with the 99.99999%. >The immune system is an organ like the muscles, brain and heart. Putting a little stress on these organs is actually good. Just to verify: you took one bio course as a college underclassman and you think that makes you an immunologist.
- dogfu 15y ago
  Clarification: I did not take any undergraduate biology courses. You don't need prestige academic credentials to read about it in the popular press, type in some search terms, and come up with this : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hygiene_hypothesis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hygiene_hypothesis . There is no checking of your SAT scores or college GPA or anything inorder to do this, so give it a try. They may track you via cookies, but I recommend taking a chance.
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  - alexholehouse 15y ago
    I mean, famously the popular press and internet provide a totally infallible account of information. Here's the scoop. I did take undergraduate biology courses. I studied biochemistry to bachelors and masters degree level, and I can tell you for absolutely nothing that the "popular media's" interpretation of science is pretty frequently bordering irresponsible. The media is there to sell papers. Your analysis of the need-case for an AIDS (and HPV) vaccine is ignorant and frankly offensive.
    - dogfu 15y ago
      How is preventing aids by not engaging in man on man encounters and shooting illegal drugs ignorant and offensive?
      - alexholehouse 15y ago
        I think I'm done here.
        dogfu 15y ago
        Yeah, whole thread is going downhill fast. Sorry.
      - Mz 15y ago
        For starters, blatant homophobia. Risk of AIDS is hardly limited to illegal drug users and gays. Medical professionals and police officers are fairly often exposed to blood (and other bodily fluids), either accidentally or intentionally, in the process of dealing professionally with people at higher than normal risk of carrying AIDS (or other infectious agents).
      - scythe 15y ago
        Well, aside from being completely false... http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/surveillance/basic.htm http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/surveillance/basic.htm
tresta 15y ago
re no need for a hypothetical aids vaccine (or the cervical cancer one) if you don't "sleep around" or take drugs: I assume that you've never heard about rape? Or for that matter coming into contact with HIV positive blood in an accident, or any other infection vector?
- dogfu 15y ago
  Yes. I have heard about "other infection vectors" with AIDS. I'm guessing the double entendre of "jab things into your body" escaped you.
  - tresta 15y ago
    "jab things into your body" is not the only such vector. There is also "having things jabbed into your body" (a subtle but important distinction). Your post implies that if someone is infected with the HIV virus it's their own fault. This assumption is toxic, and makes people more hesitant to apply resources towards trying to treat and cure people with this disease. It's like telling a person with lung cancer that "It's your own damn fault for smoking" when it is perfectly possible to develop lung cancer without ever having a smoke.
rdtsc 15y ago
> The immune system is an organ like the muscles, brain and heart. Putting a little stress on these organs is actually good. That kind of armchair immunology and microbiology would exactly be prevented by harsher regulations. This analogy and hunch might not just hurt your child, but if your child gets infected, they could infect infants at a doctors office who have not yet gotten their immunizations. > For instance the school system forcing girls to get "anti-cancer" vaccines when there is an effect alternative (i.e. "dont' be a promiscuous"). OK agree with you there, however there is no easy way to prevent many of these infectious diseases.

by dogfu 15y ago

scythe 15y ago

>What do you say the relative of someone who had a vaccine and immediately became crippled and couldn't walk because the reaction damaged their inner-ear? The same thing you say to the person who got struck by lightning five times. On a societal level, you work with the 99.99999%. >The immune system is an organ like the muscles, brain and heart. Putting a little stress on these organs is actually good. Just to verify: you took one bio course as a college underclassman and you think that makes you an immunologist.

dogfu 15y ago
Clarification: I did not take any undergraduate biology courses. You don't need prestige academic credentials to read about it in the popular press, type in some search terms, and come up with this : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hygiene_hypothesis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hygiene_hypothesis . There is no checking of your SAT scores or college GPA or anything inorder to do this, so give it a try. They may track you via cookies, but I recommend taking a chance.
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- alexholehouse 15y ago
  I mean, famously the popular press and internet provide a totally infallible account of information. Here's the scoop. I did take undergraduate biology courses. I studied biochemistry to bachelors and masters degree level, and I can tell you for absolutely nothing that the "popular media's" interpretation of science is pretty frequently bordering irresponsible. The media is there to sell papers. Your analysis of the need-case for an AIDS (and HPV) vaccine is ignorant and frankly offensive.
  - dogfu 15y ago
    How is preventing aids by not engaging in man on man encounters and shooting illegal drugs ignorant and offensive?
    - alexholehouse 15y ago
      I think I'm done here.
      - dogfu 15y ago
        Yeah, whole thread is going downhill fast. Sorry.
    - Mz 15y ago
      For starters, blatant homophobia. Risk of AIDS is hardly limited to illegal drug users and gays. Medical professionals and police officers are fairly often exposed to blood (and other bodily fluids), either accidentally or intentionally, in the process of dealing professionally with people at higher than normal risk of carrying AIDS (or other infectious agents).
    - scythe 15y ago
      Well, aside from being completely false... http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/surveillance/basic.htm http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/surveillance/basic.htm

tresta 15y ago

re no need for a hypothetical aids vaccine (or the cervical cancer one) if you don't "sleep around" or take drugs: I assume that you've never heard about rape? Or for that matter coming into contact with HIV positive blood in an accident, or any other infection vector?

dogfu 15y ago
Yes. I have heard about "other infection vectors" with AIDS. I'm guessing the double entendre of "jab things into your body" escaped you.
- tresta 15y ago
  "jab things into your body" is not the only such vector. There is also "having things jabbed into your body" (a subtle but important distinction). Your post implies that if someone is infected with the HIV virus it's their own fault. This assumption is toxic, and makes people more hesitant to apply resources towards trying to treat and cure people with this disease. It's like telling a person with lung cancer that "It's your own damn fault for smoking" when it is perfectly possible to develop lung cancer without ever having a smoke.

rdtsc 15y ago

> The immune system is an organ like the muscles, brain and heart. Putting a little stress on these organs is actually good. That kind of armchair immunology and microbiology would exactly be prevented by harsher regulations. This analogy and hunch might not just hurt your child, but if your child gets infected, they could infect infants at a doctors office who have not yet gotten their immunizations. > For instance the school system forcing girls to get "anti-cancer" vaccines when there is an effect alternative (i.e. "dont' be a promiscuous"). OK agree with you there, however there is no easy way to prevent many of these infectious diseases.