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I wonder how they would verify that with foreigners, especially those with a history of poor record-keeping. I surmise that there must be at least a couple of c

I wonder how they would verify that with foreigners, especially those with a history of poor record-keeping. I surmise that there must be at least a couple of countries where a marriage certificate is nothing more than a plain sheet of copy paper with something along the lines of "I hereby declare that X and Y are married" in their local legalese. Although I can't help but snicker at the image of a bunch of poor cops desperately trying to memorize marriage certificates from around the world.

ClumsyPilot 4y ago
That might be your problem, not theirs. They could jail anyone they aren't sure about
- phkahler 4y ago
  Yeah, some people are so used to "my rights" that they forget there are places where you don't have any.
  - batch12 4y ago
    Nitpick, but everyone has rights. The difference is there are many places that don't protect them or otherwise infringe upon your ability to exercise them.
    - aaaaaaaaata 4y ago
      American or philosopher?
throw_m239339 4y ago
> I wonder how they would verify that with foreigners This isn't really about consensual heterosexual hooks up, more like someone gets raped, tries to report to the police and ends up in prison for adultery. It happens all the time in Dubai with western tourists or expats. That's why these laws really exist, to deprive females of any agency. Furthermore, married or not according to sharia law, homosexual intercourse is automatically adultery.
coldtea 4y ago
>I wonder how they would verify that with foreigners If you're caught, then you, as the foreigner, will have to verify it. So it's not their problem. But on the plus side, you'd have all this time while awaiting trial or in jail to do it... >Although I can't help but snicker at the image of a bunch of poor cops desperately trying to memorize marriage certificates from around the world. Cops wont have to memorize anything. If it comes to that, and someone is reported and arrested or questioned for this reason, then he would need to provide the certificate, and some clerk will have to verify it.
hutzlibu 4y ago
"Although I can't help but snicker at the image of a bunch of poor cops desperately trying to memorize marriage certificates from around the world." I do not think, this is how it works around there. "The poor cops" will have no problem locking anyone in, until they can proof in a way that pleases the cops, that their papers are allright. I doubt this law will be enforced strictly as this would cause too much bad press, when important people(from rich western nations) are getting problems, but some poor workers are probably have to get their papers right, translated, locally certified, etc.
philwelch 4y ago
> I surmise that there must be at least a couple of countries where a marriage certificate is nothing more than a plain sheet of copy paper with something along the lines of "I hereby declare that X and Y are married" in their local legalese. Aside from using something other than “copy paper” and added ornamentation, this could describe all of my US legal documents including my marriage and birth certificates.
theowwruoi34 4y ago
They killed 3000-4000 Indian slaves every year for their stadium. You really think they'll treat you with such care ? This while much of the emirates is serviced by a slave-class Indians, who can't practice their religion, build temples (exceptions: Oman, UAE), or anything "disallowed" by the savage law-system they practice. Then these same good-for-nothing oil sheikhs preach to India! Qatar and the Muslim Brotherhood it rears really are the worst threats to humanity. Alas, most Islamists take their training again from India's UP (no better way to develop anti-kafir theology when surrounded by them I suppose). Ah the many manifestations of India's savage colonizers.
- Gnob 4y ago
  Oh, give me a break, treat the Indian Muslims half as good as the Hindus are treated in Qatar then we speak. people were being killed in the streets, with sticks, no legal protection women getting raped, not to mention the obsession with raping kids in temples and whatnot in India not long ago I think someone published here on HN an article about the Indian police planting evidence on victims computers. Not to mention taking the citizenship from the Indian muslims Not to mention street shitting, not to mention praying for covid and for toilets and every single dirty thing one can think of. Not to mention bathing in cow dung. Not to mention the extremely cruel caste system which has no basis but inner discrimination and separating the society. will you rage against these practices or show any sign of disagreement to the Indian government? we don't see any such efforts on your side so If anything I would say Qatar should stop accepting Hindus. You've done nothing to the muslims but murdered them, raped their women, offended them, mocked their religion and prophet lately too, and you don't even deserve to have temples built in their land, you're the only danger to humanity because if things get out of hands you will make the whole planet a one big literal shithole.
elliekelly 4y ago
I think I’ve mentioned it here before but I once traveled to a country with laws hostile to LGBTQ+ people with three friends: another hetero woman and two gay men who were a couple. For safety reasons we pretended we were two hetero couples which included checking into our hotel rooms as “couples”. Unbeknownst to us there was also a law that unmarried heterosexual couples couldn’t share hotel accommodations. In some places this meant the men had to share a room and the women had to share a room because, when asked, we couldn’t provide a marriage certificate. (Ironically their strict enforcement of the law intended to prevent premarital sex would have the opposite effect.) But in some hotels the way they got around this was to simply note that we were married. Often without even asking. And in one instance when things got a bit dicey the hotel manager was sufficiently satisfied of our “marriage” by seeing the receipts of our other hotel stays. All of that is to say I got the impression it’s a very subjective and selectively enforced thing.
- cypress66 4y ago
  Why did you decide to travel to such countries?
  - elliekelly 4y ago
    Like the apocryphal tale of Muhammad I’ve had little success in asking the mountains I wish to hike to come to me.

ClumsyPilot 4y ago

That might be your problem, not theirs. They could jail anyone they aren't sure about

phkahler 4y ago
Yeah, some people are so used to "my rights" that they forget there are places where you don't have any.
- batch12 4y ago
  Nitpick, but everyone has rights. The difference is there are many places that don't protect them or otherwise infringe upon your ability to exercise them.
  - aaaaaaaaata 4y ago
    American or philosopher?

throw_m239339 4y ago

> I wonder how they would verify that with foreigners This isn't really about consensual heterosexual hooks up, more like someone gets raped, tries to report to the police and ends up in prison for adultery. It happens all the time in Dubai with western tourists or expats. That's why these laws really exist, to deprive females of any agency. Furthermore, married or not according to sharia law, homosexual intercourse is automatically adultery.

coldtea 4y ago

>I wonder how they would verify that with foreigners If you're caught, then you, as the foreigner, will have to verify it. So it's not their problem. But on the plus side, you'd have all this time while awaiting trial or in jail to do it... >Although I can't help but snicker at the image of a bunch of poor cops desperately trying to memorize marriage certificates from around the world. Cops wont have to memorize anything. If it comes to that, and someone is reported and arrested or questioned for this reason, then he would need to provide the certificate, and some clerk will have to verify it.

hutzlibu 4y ago

"Although I can't help but snicker at the image of a bunch of poor cops desperately trying to memorize marriage certificates from around the world." I do not think, this is how it works around there. "The poor cops" will have no problem locking anyone in, until they can proof in a way that pleases the cops, that their papers are allright. I doubt this law will be enforced strictly as this would cause too much bad press, when important people(from rich western nations) are getting problems, but some poor workers are probably have to get their papers right, translated, locally certified, etc.

philwelch 4y ago

> I surmise that there must be at least a couple of countries where a marriage certificate is nothing more than a plain sheet of copy paper with something along the lines of "I hereby declare that X and Y are married" in their local legalese. Aside from using something other than “copy paper” and added ornamentation, this could describe all of my US legal documents including my marriage and birth certificates.

theowwruoi34 4y ago

They killed 3000-4000 Indian slaves every year for their stadium. You really think they'll treat you with such care ? This while much of the emirates is serviced by a slave-class Indians, who can't practice their religion, build temples (exceptions: Oman, UAE), or anything "disallowed" by the savage law-system they practice. Then these same good-for-nothing oil sheikhs preach to India! Qatar and the Muslim Brotherhood it rears really are the worst threats to humanity. Alas, most Islamists take their training again from India's UP (no better way to develop anti-kafir theology when surrounded by them I suppose). Ah the many manifestations of India's savage colonizers.

Gnob 4y ago
Oh, give me a break, treat the Indian Muslims half as good as the Hindus are treated in Qatar then we speak. people were being killed in the streets, with sticks, no legal protection women getting raped, not to mention the obsession with raping kids in temples and whatnot in India not long ago I think someone published here on HN an article about the Indian police planting evidence on victims computers. Not to mention taking the citizenship from the Indian muslims Not to mention street shitting, not to mention praying for covid and for toilets and every single dirty thing one can think of. Not to mention bathing in cow dung. Not to mention the extremely cruel caste system which has no basis but inner discrimination and separating the society. will you rage against these practices or show any sign of disagreement to the Indian government? we don't see any such efforts on your side so If anything I would say Qatar should stop accepting Hindus. You've done nothing to the muslims but murdered them, raped their women, offended them, mocked their religion and prophet lately too, and you don't even deserve to have temples built in their land, you're the only danger to humanity because if things get out of hands you will make the whole planet a one big literal shithole.

elliekelly 4y ago

I think I’ve mentioned it here before but I once traveled to a country with laws hostile to LGBTQ+ people with three friends: another hetero woman and two gay men who were a couple. For safety reasons we pretended we were two hetero couples which included checking into our hotel rooms as “couples”. Unbeknownst to us there was also a law that unmarried heterosexual couples couldn’t share hotel accommodations. In some places this meant the men had to share a room and the women had to share a room because, when asked, we couldn’t provide a marriage certificate. (Ironically their strict enforcement of the law intended to prevent premarital sex would have the opposite effect.) But in some hotels the way they got around this was to simply note that we were married. Often without even asking. And in one instance when things got a bit dicey the hotel manager was sufficiently satisfied of our “marriage” by seeing the receipts of our other hotel stays. All of that is to say I got the impression it’s a very subjective and selectively enforced thing.

cypress66 4y ago
Why did you decide to travel to such countries?
- elliekelly 4y ago
  Like the apocryphal tale of Muhammad I’ve had little success in asking the mountains I wish to hike to come to me.