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>that Apple's browser engine ban on iOS in anti-competitive and distort the browser market Isn't this a good thing? Without this distortion, what is preventing

>that Apple's browser engine ban on iOS in anti-competitive and distort the browser market Isn't this a good thing? Without this distortion, what is preventing the web from becoming fully dependent on the Chrome engine?

agust 4y ago
Competition from Apple? Why would people use Chrome if Safari is as good or better?
- MthN 4y ago
  "This website works only in Chrome" or "Please download chrome to continue" might become common occurrence on Safari iOS forcing people to stick to Chrome on iOS
  - jeroenhd 4y ago
    Haven't seen any of those on Android so far, so I don't see why they would appear for iOS. Hell, I've barely even seen websites do that on desktop (Microsoft Teams being a notable problematic web app here) and I'm on Linux+Firefox. The only real exceptions so far have been applications that choose not to support Firefox because of its abysmal market share. It's often easy to find working alternatives for those, though. The only reason devs would show a "download chrome to use this" prompt would be if Safari were behind in support for the necessary features or if Safari's bugs are too much of a hassle to support (i.e. lack of push notifications, lack of web FS/BT/serial if the web app needs that, or a lack of provisioned browser storage that the mega.nz website relies on). What I expect to happen, and what the recent expanse of the webkit team suggests is already happening, is that Safari will get better once it gets competitive pressure from Chrome and other browsers.
    - Thlom 4y ago
      I've been using Safari privately almost exclusively for 15 years. Most everything works OK, but I keep Chrome around mainly because Unifi web management doesn't work in Safari (it might work now, it's been a while since I tested).
  - philistine 4y ago
    The true culprit of Chrome's dominance, I presume, is Google giving Chrome the only ad ever to appear on the google.com landing page. An ad that has been there for close to a decade. That is the attitude of a monopolist in one area (search) using its dominance to establish dominance in another area (browsers). That nobody has reamed Google for giving Chrome an ad on the landing page without ever selling that space to anyone else is a big miss.
    - lupire 4y ago
      Advertising is not establishing dominance.
      - philistine 4y ago
        Giving yourself a preferential treatment not available to your competitors due to your control of another market is establishing dominance.
- stjohnswarts 4y ago
  Browser sync and superior ad blocking (obviously not in Chrome but in Brave and Firefox) is a huge one. That's why I use Firefox on iOS.

agust 4y ago

Competition from Apple? Why would people use Chrome if Safari is as good or better?

MthN 4y ago
"This website works only in Chrome" or "Please download chrome to continue" might become common occurrence on Safari iOS forcing people to stick to Chrome on iOS
- jeroenhd 4y ago
  Haven't seen any of those on Android so far, so I don't see why they would appear for iOS. Hell, I've barely even seen websites do that on desktop (Microsoft Teams being a notable problematic web app here) and I'm on Linux+Firefox. The only real exceptions so far have been applications that choose not to support Firefox because of its abysmal market share. It's often easy to find working alternatives for those, though. The only reason devs would show a "download chrome to use this" prompt would be if Safari were behind in support for the necessary features or if Safari's bugs are too much of a hassle to support (i.e. lack of push notifications, lack of web FS/BT/serial if the web app needs that, or a lack of provisioned browser storage that the mega.nz website relies on). What I expect to happen, and what the recent expanse of the webkit team suggests is already happening, is that Safari will get better once it gets competitive pressure from Chrome and other browsers.
  - Thlom 4y ago
    I've been using Safari privately almost exclusively for 15 years. Most everything works OK, but I keep Chrome around mainly because Unifi web management doesn't work in Safari (it might work now, it's been a while since I tested).
- philistine 4y ago
  The true culprit of Chrome's dominance, I presume, is Google giving Chrome the only ad ever to appear on the google.com landing page. An ad that has been there for close to a decade. That is the attitude of a monopolist in one area (search) using its dominance to establish dominance in another area (browsers). That nobody has reamed Google for giving Chrome an ad on the landing page without ever selling that space to anyone else is a big miss.
  - lupire 4y ago
    Advertising is not establishing dominance.
    - philistine 4y ago
      Giving yourself a preferential treatment not available to your competitors due to your control of another market is establishing dominance.
stjohnswarts 4y ago
Browser sync and superior ad blocking (obviously not in Chrome but in Brave and Firefox) is a huge one. That's why I use Firefox on iOS.