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Sure, cross-platform UI that's on the metal is a more accurate description.

by nathansobo 4y ago

loic-sharma 4y ago
Did you consider using Flutter? If yes, what made you choose against it?
- wpietri 4y ago
  It's been a few years since I used Flutter, but doesn't it still require you to use the related language Dart? I liked the idea of it, and I thought the tight integration between Flutter and Dart allowed them to do some cool things. But I wasn't a huge fan of the language itself. And I think it's a lot to ask prospective extension-writers to learn a new language.
  - gman83 4y ago
    If you know Java or JavaScript, Dart is extremely easy to pick up.
    - wtetzner 4y ago
      Sure, but that doesn't help if your project is in Rust.
      - OvermindDL1 4y ago
        Rust actually has a library with very good flutter integration, it does require using dart for the actual flutter part though, but it works well together.
        ctvo 4y ago
        Are you talking about nativeshell[1] or something else? nativeshell looks to be in early stages of development still. 1 - https://nativeshell.dev https://nativeshell.dev
    - wpietri 4y ago
      Sure, there's a whole class of languages that are enough like one another that if you know one you have an advantage picking the other one up. On the other hand, it looks like Rust is only moderately more popular than Dart: https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/ https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/ But I can see why they'd steer away from a language controlled by one company, especially one notorious for killing off projects.
- nathansobo 4y ago
  We just wanted to be pure Rust and have complete control.
edko 4y ago
Do you have any plans of open-sourcing the UI framework?
- nathansobo 4y ago
  We do have plans. Stay tuned!
  - OvermindDL1 4y ago
    This sounds awesome! I hope you post it here!
  - MR4D 4y ago
    Rust on Mac with an open source UI - wow! If nothing else, you guys are ambitious as heck. Can't wait to see more. Also, loved the youtube video you linked to earlier in the comments - great to see an actual working demo instead of just an announcement.
  - journey_16162 4y ago
    That's awesome! How far off in the future is that? Is it more like a 1 year or a few years?
  - journey_16162 4y ago
    Also with your custom UI framework, you will need to re-implement a text editor from scratch which is a pretty daunting task by the way [0]. Do you also have plans to open source the text editing / make text editing a part of the framework? Text editing (right there with accessibility) is the core reason why one would not go with a pure immediate mode GUI for any app. I guess you are baking immediate mode with some extras? [0] https://www.construct.net/en/blogs/ashleys-blog-2/simple-software-things-1587 https://www.construct.net/en/blogs/ashleys-blog-2/simple-sof...

Sure, cross-platform UI that's on the metal is a more accurate description.

loic-sharma 4y ago

Did you consider using Flutter? If yes, what made you choose against it?

wpietri 4y ago
It's been a few years since I used Flutter, but doesn't it still require you to use the related language Dart? I liked the idea of it, and I thought the tight integration between Flutter and Dart allowed them to do some cool things. But I wasn't a huge fan of the language itself. And I think it's a lot to ask prospective extension-writers to learn a new language.
- gman83 4y ago
  If you know Java or JavaScript, Dart is extremely easy to pick up.
  - wtetzner 4y ago
    Sure, but that doesn't help if your project is in Rust.
    - OvermindDL1 4y ago
      Rust actually has a library with very good flutter integration, it does require using dart for the actual flutter part though, but it works well together.
      - ctvo 4y ago
        Are you talking about nativeshell[1] or something else? nativeshell looks to be in early stages of development still. 1 - https://nativeshell.dev https://nativeshell.dev
  - wpietri 4y ago
    Sure, there's a whole class of languages that are enough like one another that if you know one you have an advantage picking the other one up. On the other hand, it looks like Rust is only moderately more popular than Dart: https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/ https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/ But I can see why they'd steer away from a language controlled by one company, especially one notorious for killing off projects.
nathansobo 4y ago
We just wanted to be pure Rust and have complete control.

edko 4y ago

Do you have any plans of open-sourcing the UI framework?

nathansobo 4y ago
We do have plans. Stay tuned!
- OvermindDL1 4y ago
  This sounds awesome! I hope you post it here!
- MR4D 4y ago
  Rust on Mac with an open source UI - wow! If nothing else, you guys are ambitious as heck. Can't wait to see more. Also, loved the youtube video you linked to earlier in the comments - great to see an actual working demo instead of just an announcement.
- journey_16162 4y ago
  That's awesome! How far off in the future is that? Is it more like a 1 year or a few years?
- journey_16162 4y ago
  Also with your custom UI framework, you will need to re-implement a text editor from scratch which is a pretty daunting task by the way [0]. Do you also have plans to open source the text editing / make text editing a part of the framework? Text editing (right there with accessibility) is the core reason why one would not go with a pure immediate mode GUI for any app. I guess you are baking immediate mode with some extras? [0] https://www.construct.net/en/blogs/ashleys-blog-2/simple-software-things-1587 https://www.construct.net/en/blogs/ashleys-blog-2/simple-sof...