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Questions on Delusional Thinking
If I claim I can shoot fire balls out of my hand, most people would say impossible.
If I claim a person in the past could shoot fire balls out of their hand, most people would say impossible.
If I claim I can walk on water, most people would say impossible.
If I claim a person was able to water on water a long time ago, suddenly I can be taken seriously.
Why do so many people not see the logical inconsistency here? Why do people not see that believing certain religious thoughts are a delusion?
- WalterGR 4y agoFaith is belief in the absence of fact. Religion requires faith. That's all there is to it.
- Layke1123 4y agoIsn't it delusional thinking if you ignore facts about reality?
- WalterGR 4y agoIf you want. It's up to you. You could also think that by definition, some parts of religion are impossible to prove / disprove, and different strokes for different folks, and then go have some tea. :) What's your sample size for believing that people can't shoot fireballs out of their hands or walk on water? (Where I’m going with that question is: “Well your sample size isn’t large enough.” See? There’s no way to argue against faith.)
- Layke1123 4y agoI can't believe in 2022, on a website dedicated to tech and other interesting things, I'm having a conversation with some one ardently defending whether humans can shoot fireballs out of their hands and walk on water or not.
- AnimalMuppet 4y agoArguing by the year is a fallacy. It's a logic smell. ("I can't believe that in 2022, people still argue that way." See how that doesn't actually say anything that anyone ought to take seriously? It just uses the assumption of rightness to pressure anyone who disagrees.)
- Layke1123 4y ago
- AnimalMuppet 4y agoDid I say that? Why, no, I did not. You're putting words in my mouth, which you do not have the right to do. You're generating a... not even a strawman[1], just a blatantly made-up position that you're assigning to me. And then you're not even disproving that made-up position, you're just mocking it. That's really shoddy argumentation. My claim is that "argument by year" may be a cute rhetorical flourish, but it's completely worthless as an actual argument. You used it, and I'm calling you on it. If you want to argue against peoples' irrational beliefs, find a better way to do it. [1] A strawman is a weak version of an opponent's position, not a completely unrelated position.
- Layke1123 4y agoOK, then answer the simple question AnimalMuppet. Do you believe wizards can shoot fireballs out of their hands or not? If you are up for a more serious question, how about, do you believe humans can walk on water or not?
- AnimalMuppet 4y agoMy point was not that your position was wrong. My point was that your way of arguing for your position was wrong. You repeatedly seem to be trying to dodge, deflect, ignore, or misrepresent that. It's getting annoying.
- inphovore 4y agoYou deceive yourself every day. You and your “facts” cannot actually account for that which you lack empirical validation. That you’re certain all circumstance are as you conjecture them to be is an irony of your position. Is that the only part of the story that disturbs you? If this one part was stretched (easiest way to early assimilation is fake news) what of all the rest of human account? Resist your false certainty. Take the account of ledgend, history, third hand account, etc on their own terms. You don’t really solve anything with your nihilistic incredulity. You’re not even on to something as far as ironies are concerned.
- Layke1123 4y agoHave you ever played the game of telephone? Is it not more likely people lied and repeated lies that got so completely changed from reality than to believe some person actually flew to space on a winged donkey?
- inphovore 4y agoWell, the Hindu speak of things similar to winged donkeys, and of Hanuman’s army building the adam bridge. And there is an Adam bridge. If a hundred thousand talking monkeys and a ragtag band of humans didn’t build that land bridge between India and Sri Lanka 10,000 years ago, then who did smart guy?
- Layke1123 4y agoI can't tell if you are being sarcastic or not lol. So many cultures speak of ghosts as well. Doesn't mean they existed. I mean, if they did, I'll be sure to bring that up in court next time I need to blame something breaking on them. As for the Adam Bridge, geological processes are amazing, are they not?
- dang 4y agoWe don't want religious flamewar here, so please don't post religious flamebait to HN. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- Layke1123 4y agoIt wasn't about religion, it was about delusional thinking.