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Is that not an objective statement? I'm aware of the controversy, but that doesn't mean we should ignore facts.

draw_down 4y ago
robonerd 4y ago
I think you read more than he said. I'm not sure what Animats meant, but I don't think he said whatever you're responding to.
- chrismckleroy 4y ago
  Could it be in reference to the AIDS epidemic, with quotes such as this classifying the early days of that?
- mmmpop 4y ago
  I don't think he said anything that merits more than a "what do you mean?" in response. So I ask this person too, "what do you mean?"
jliptzin 4y ago
The problem with that messaging is it’s hard to take back. Even in 2022, I have straight friends who regularly have unprotected sex with random women and don’t think HIV applies to them because they’re not gay.
- jimmydeans 4y ago
- hn_throwaway_99 4y ago
  I'm a gay man, and I'm on PrEP because I know I'm at higher risk of HIV. If I were straight and (1) neither I nor my partners used IV drugs, (2) neither I nor my partners had any visible STDs and I got checked for STDs regularly and (3) I were circumcized, to be honest I'd be fine having unprotected sex with random women because my chance of acquiring HIV would be exceedingly, exceedingly low. My chance of acquiring other STDs, especially Chlamydia, would be much higher, but if I were getting checked regularly it seems like a reasonable risk for a treatable disease.
  - Akronymus 4y ago
    > ...and (3) I were circumcized,... Does circumcision actually have a non-neglible impact on the risk? From what I remember, it is insignificant, at best.
    - hn_throwaway_99 4y ago
      Circumcision provides a very large protective effect. Circumcized males are 2 to 8 times less likely to contract HIV: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1127372/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1127372/ You can Google for other studies - the protective effect of circumcision is significant and large.
  - jliptzin 4y ago
    I am on prep too but still there’s a difference between consciously accepting a certain level of risk vs just assuming the risk is nonexistent because of poorly communicated information
croes 4y ago
It's a coincidence not a causality. Some could have happened on a "straight" rave.

I think you read more than he said. I'm not sure what Animats meant, but I don't think he said whatever you're responding to.

chrismckleroy 4y ago
Could it be in reference to the AIDS epidemic, with quotes such as this classifying the early days of that?
mmmpop 4y ago
I don't think he said anything that merits more than a "what do you mean?" in response. So I ask this person too, "what do you mean?"

jliptzin 4y ago

The problem with that messaging is it’s hard to take back. Even in 2022, I have straight friends who regularly have unprotected sex with random women and don’t think HIV applies to them because they’re not gay.

jimmydeans 4y ago
hn_throwaway_99 4y ago
I'm a gay man, and I'm on PrEP because I know I'm at higher risk of HIV. If I were straight and (1) neither I nor my partners used IV drugs, (2) neither I nor my partners had any visible STDs and I got checked for STDs regularly and (3) I were circumcized, to be honest I'd be fine having unprotected sex with random women because my chance of acquiring HIV would be exceedingly, exceedingly low. My chance of acquiring other STDs, especially Chlamydia, would be much higher, but if I were getting checked regularly it seems like a reasonable risk for a treatable disease.
- Akronymus 4y ago
  > ...and (3) I were circumcized,... Does circumcision actually have a non-neglible impact on the risk? From what I remember, it is insignificant, at best.
  - hn_throwaway_99 4y ago
    Circumcision provides a very large protective effect. Circumcized males are 2 to 8 times less likely to contract HIV: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1127372/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1127372/ You can Google for other studies - the protective effect of circumcision is significant and large.
- jliptzin 4y ago
  I am on prep too but still there’s a difference between consciously accepting a certain level of risk vs just assuming the risk is nonexistent because of poorly communicated information

croes 4y ago

It's a coincidence not a causality. Some could have happened on a "straight" rave.