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> > Race and orientation is an immutable characteristic of the person. > That is no more true that it is of gender identity. Some people detransition, i.e. th
by skelpie_6000 4y ago
> > Race and orientation is an immutable characteristic of the person.
> That is no more true that it is of gender identity.
Some people detransition, i.e. their gender identity changes back to match their sex. This demonstrates that gender identity is not immutable.
For example, here's a fascinating piece by a recent detransitioner, about how, and why, her gender identity was male for several years: https://lacroicsz.substack.com/p/by-any-other-name https://lacroicsz.substack.com/p/by-any-other-name
- rendall 4y agoI think GP believes that race and orientation is mutable, and so agrees that gender identity is, as well. At least, it's how I read that.
- skelpie_6000 4y agoThanks, I think you're right, I'd misread what they said.
- dragonwriter 4y ago> I think GP believes that race and orientation is mutable Not particularly. Race and gender are social constructs, and ones identity (and orientation, in the latter case) with regard to either is formed early – and, once formed, immutable or nearly so – as a product of innate traits interacting with socialization around the construct. (The fact that gender identity can diverge from socially ascribed gender, resulting in demands to alter the latter to conform with the former, does not make gender identity mutable, in much the same way that the fact that people might mistake your race for a different one than your indentity doesn’t make racial identity mutable.)
- skelpie_6000 4y agoI'll reiterate my previous comment then: the existence of detransitioners proves that gender identity is mutable. From reading the accounts of detransitioners, gender identity seems to be more like a political or religious belief than anything else - often stable for long periods of time, but given the right circumstances, can be changed.