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Is a woman a transphobe for not wanting to share a jail cell with a person who has a penis? I think most people would consider safeguarding female prisoners fro

Is a woman a transphobe for not wanting to share a jail cell with a person who has a penis? I think most people would consider safeguarding female prisoners from males common sense. I think you should take a moment to consider the (female) women in this situation. Imagine you're a woman 100% at the mercy of the state, and the state locks you in a cell with a male person. Put yourself in their shoes, and try to extend some empathy to them.

joshuamorton 4y ago
I never made any comment about women in prison. I have empathy to anyone in prison. Like I said, its deeply inhumane. I think people in prison should be protected from other people in prison if they are dangerous, and I think prisons fail to do that today. I don't accept your presumption that having a penis makes someone inherently more dangerous. Again: if your goal is to protect women in prison, the best way to do that is to advocate for reform that makes prisons safer for everyone. Not by being transphobic, which you're doing instead.
- BitwiseFool 4y ago
  >"Again: if your goal is to protect women in prison, the best way to do that is to advocate for reform that makes prisons safer for everyone. Not by being transphobic, which you're doing instead. " Perfect is the enemy of good and while it's hard to disagree with the sentiment of "reform that makes prisons safer for everyone ", we have no idea what that actually entails and that's so much of a monumental task that it's basically a non-starter. I feel like the sentiment here is "this wouldn't be a problem if we changed everything, so why don't we?"
- denton-scratch 4y ago
  > people in prison should be protected from other people in prison I strongly agree; if you deprive someone of their liberty, then you take on the responsibility of protecting them - because you've deprived them of the ability to protect themselves. I'm not aware of any prison regime that takes the safety of prisoners as a key objective. [Edit] Nor do I know of a state that handles the deliberate negligence of prisoner welfare as a criminal offence.
- jibe 4y ago
  I don't accept your presumption that having a penis makes someone inherently more dangerous The data really really doesn't support your view. Men are objectively more dangerous. https://www.statista.com/statistics/251886/murder-offenders-in-the-us-by-gender/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/251886/murder-offenders-... https://stoprape.humboldt.edu/statistics https://stoprape.humboldt.edu/statistics An estimated 91% of victims of rape & sexual assault are female and 9% male. Nearly 99% of perpetrators are male
  - the_why_of_y 4y ago
    Clearly trans women can't be put in men's prisons if men are this dangerous.
    - cluedos 4y ago
      They are men too, if you peel away the veneer of 'gender identity'.
  - TotempaaltJ 4y ago
    It is not the possession of a penis that causes men to be more dangerous.
    - pessimizer 4y ago
      Men share more than the possession of a penis, of course. But saying the possession of a penis doesn't make men more dangerous in the face of male rape is like saying that a pistol doesn't make a man more dangerous.
  - TimPC 4y ago
    The data showing 99% of perpetrators are male doesn’t count forcible envelopment as rape. In order to rape a man a woman has to penetrate him in some way for example sticking a finger in his ass.

joshuamorton 4y ago

I never made any comment about women in prison. I have empathy to anyone in prison. Like I said, its deeply inhumane. I think people in prison should be protected from other people in prison if they are dangerous, and I think prisons fail to do that today. I don't accept your presumption that having a penis makes someone inherently more dangerous. Again: if your goal is to protect women in prison, the best way to do that is to advocate for reform that makes prisons safer for everyone. Not by being transphobic, which you're doing instead.

BitwiseFool 4y ago
>"Again: if your goal is to protect women in prison, the best way to do that is to advocate for reform that makes prisons safer for everyone. Not by being transphobic, which you're doing instead. " Perfect is the enemy of good and while it's hard to disagree with the sentiment of "reform that makes prisons safer for everyone ", we have no idea what that actually entails and that's so much of a monumental task that it's basically a non-starter. I feel like the sentiment here is "this wouldn't be a problem if we changed everything, so why don't we?"
denton-scratch 4y ago
> people in prison should be protected from other people in prison I strongly agree; if you deprive someone of their liberty, then you take on the responsibility of protecting them - because you've deprived them of the ability to protect themselves. I'm not aware of any prison regime that takes the safety of prisoners as a key objective. [Edit] Nor do I know of a state that handles the deliberate negligence of prisoner welfare as a criminal offence.
jibe 4y ago
I don't accept your presumption that having a penis makes someone inherently more dangerous The data really really doesn't support your view. Men are objectively more dangerous. https://www.statista.com/statistics/251886/murder-offenders-in-the-us-by-gender/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/251886/murder-offenders-... https://stoprape.humboldt.edu/statistics https://stoprape.humboldt.edu/statistics An estimated 91% of victims of rape & sexual assault are female and 9% male. Nearly 99% of perpetrators are male
- the_why_of_y 4y ago
  Clearly trans women can't be put in men's prisons if men are this dangerous.
  - cluedos 4y ago
    They are men too, if you peel away the veneer of 'gender identity'.
- TotempaaltJ 4y ago
  It is not the possession of a penis that causes men to be more dangerous.
  - pessimizer 4y ago
    Men share more than the possession of a penis, of course. But saying the possession of a penis doesn't make men more dangerous in the face of male rape is like saying that a pistol doesn't make a man more dangerous.
- TimPC 4y ago
  The data showing 99% of perpetrators are male doesn’t count forcible envelopment as rape. In order to rape a man a woman has to penetrate him in some way for example sticking a finger in his ass.