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> The problem with the Knowledge Graph ideology is that everything in your mind is already situated in a graph structure. That is precisely the problem. It’s bi

> The problem with the Knowledge Graph ideology is that everything in your mind is already situated in a graph structure. That is precisely the problem. It’s big and complicated, with way too many connections everywhere. There’s no good in replicating that web in digital form. I completely agree with this, I'm not an organised person, I rarely write TODO lists, yet in Emacs with Org-Roam I thought I would be highly productive because I would start writing notes and linking them together or whatever magic Org-Mode has inside Emacs (if I can even be bothered to write a TODO list in the first place); But I don't think Org-Roam is for me, I rarely wrote TODO lists even before using Org-Roam, and I'd have never heard of Zettelkasten or whatever until trying out Org-Roam, you could say that I'm not an organised person, and that is true, but I don't care. Using a Zettelkasten system for people like me isn't going to work, it will never feel right to be honest, in the first place before trying it out I didn't want any of this stuff anyway, I don't need a graph linking notes together, I'm a simple man, just write a few notes sometimes.

ravenstine 4y ago
The problem I see is, as you say, not the structure of personal knowledge, but recall. Once I can recall something, that usually leads me to where I need to go. It's sometimes that initial failure to recall what I wanted to remember that can prevent me from acting until much later. This is why I don't like any structure to my personal data. I throw every single thing I jot down into Apple Notes and either I'll come back to it when I see it above the fold or if I do a search query. I like Apple Notes, but it really sucks in a lot of ways. The search function is crappy as crap gets. I don't know how indexing could be so poor. There's no way to tag or label notes other than by placing notes in folders. Notes does nothing to try and help you extract meaning from your unstructured text. What I want more than anything that tries to impose the job of organization on to the user is something that lets me treat it like a dumping ground, does its best to extract any implicit structure or meaning and keywords from my notes, lets me add relationships optionally, and then gets out of my way. I don't need silos or folders or schemas or graphs or any such nonsense.
- lolcat_cowsay 4y ago
  > Once I can recall something, that usually leads me to where I need to go. It's sometimes that initial failure to recall what I wanted to remember that can prevent me from acting until much later. Exactly my frame of thinking, if I start worrying about structure, I forget the thing I wanted to write about in the first place. > I like Apple Notes, but it really sucks in a lot of ways. The search function is crappy as crap gets. I don't know how indexing could be so poor. There's no way to tag or label notes other than by placing notes in folders. Notes does nothing to try and help you extract meaning from your unstructured text. It lets you get the job done quickly, you just remembered you had to write something down, you can just write it down as quick as possible without worrying about other nonsense. > What I want more than anything that tries to impose the job of organization on to the user is something that lets me treat it like a dumping ground, does its best to extract any implicit structure or meaning and keywords from my notes, lets me add relationships optionally, and then gets out of my way. I don't need silos or folders or schemas or graphs or any such nonsense. Exactly, this is what I am thinking too, organization shouldn't be worried about when you just want to write something down NOW, as apposed to later after you've worried about organization and you've forgotten the thing you wanted to write about in the first place. The actual thing that you are using the write notes on should do the organization itself, make tags automatically and link notes automatically, without you having to worry about anything, that for me, is the best way. And you should be able to search through notes quickly and find keywords etc.. all just by looking at what is inside the notes that have any sort of structure. > lets me add relationships optionally Totally agree, relationships should be worried about after the note has been written down, not before.
- Veen 4y ago
  Apple Notes got tags with iOS 15 / macOS Monterey. You can combine them with Smart Folders for organization.

ravenstine 4y ago

The problem I see is, as you say, not the structure of personal knowledge, but recall. Once I can recall something, that usually leads me to where I need to go. It's sometimes that initial failure to recall what I wanted to remember that can prevent me from acting until much later. This is why I don't like any structure to my personal data. I throw every single thing I jot down into Apple Notes and either I'll come back to it when I see it above the fold or if I do a search query. I like Apple Notes, but it really sucks in a lot of ways. The search function is crappy as crap gets. I don't know how indexing could be so poor. There's no way to tag or label notes other than by placing notes in folders. Notes does nothing to try and help you extract meaning from your unstructured text. What I want more than anything that tries to impose the job of organization on to the user is something that lets me treat it like a dumping ground, does its best to extract any implicit structure or meaning and keywords from my notes, lets me add relationships optionally, and then gets out of my way. I don't need silos or folders or schemas or graphs or any such nonsense.

lolcat_cowsay 4y ago
> Once I can recall something, that usually leads me to where I need to go. It's sometimes that initial failure to recall what I wanted to remember that can prevent me from acting until much later. Exactly my frame of thinking, if I start worrying about structure, I forget the thing I wanted to write about in the first place. > I like Apple Notes, but it really sucks in a lot of ways. The search function is crappy as crap gets. I don't know how indexing could be so poor. There's no way to tag or label notes other than by placing notes in folders. Notes does nothing to try and help you extract meaning from your unstructured text. It lets you get the job done quickly, you just remembered you had to write something down, you can just write it down as quick as possible without worrying about other nonsense. > What I want more than anything that tries to impose the job of organization on to the user is something that lets me treat it like a dumping ground, does its best to extract any implicit structure or meaning and keywords from my notes, lets me add relationships optionally, and then gets out of my way. I don't need silos or folders or schemas or graphs or any such nonsense. Exactly, this is what I am thinking too, organization shouldn't be worried about when you just want to write something down NOW, as apposed to later after you've worried about organization and you've forgotten the thing you wanted to write about in the first place. The actual thing that you are using the write notes on should do the organization itself, make tags automatically and link notes automatically, without you having to worry about anything, that for me, is the best way. And you should be able to search through notes quickly and find keywords etc.. all just by looking at what is inside the notes that have any sort of structure. > lets me add relationships optionally Totally agree, relationships should be worried about after the note has been written down, not before.
Veen 4y ago
Apple Notes got tags with iOS 15 / macOS Monterey. You can combine them with Smart Folders for organization.