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My understanding is, for an American in a EU country, is they can go and work remotely there for the 90 days as long as they are not conducting business in said

by trash3 4y ago

My understanding is, for an American in a EU country, is they can go and work remotely there for the 90 days as long as they are not conducting business in said country. This means face to face business meetings with clients. When you log in remotely to your job based in the USA and not interacting with people directly during the tourist stay, you're in the clear... I think?

bkor 4y ago
> My understanding is, for an American in a EU country, is they can go and work remotely there for the 90 days as long as they are not conducting business in said country. That's not legal. To work in the EU you need a work visa. Though they ignore the business trips. What's legal and what's checked are different things. E.g. new foreign colleagues need to get a tax id in The Netherlands before they do any work. Doesn't matter if they came from the US.
- ghaff 4y ago
  I (from US) can't speak to the actual laws. But with respect to "what's checked," I've been asked the purpose of my visit at immigration in countless countries around the world and I'm always completely open about attending conferences and meeting with customers and no one over decades has batted an eye. (Of course in the handful of countries I did explicitly need business visas--like China--I got one.) Of course, there are a lot of unenforced laws on the books, but I'm a little skeptical that the millions and millions of people who travel cross-border on business trips every year are all mostly breaking immigration laws. To be fair, my experiences are all on relatively short trips--a few weeks at most and usually less. Perhaps there would be more issues if I were staying 90 days and was open about workationing the whole time.
  - el-salvador 4y ago
    > I'm always completely open about attending conferences and meeting with customers and no one over decades has batted an eye. Attending conferences is usually ok, but it's a complicated topic because it depends on the traveller's passport, the visited country and how strict rules are enforced. As a foreign national, for example a U.S. B1 visa allows attending conferences and close business deals. But it doesn't explicitly allow working remotely for a non-US company.
    - ghaff 4y ago
      Of course, even a B1 isn't a tourist visa. A B2 (US tourist visa) specifically doesn't include non-social events. In any case, in most countries whether explicit or implicit that distinction is probably the right one. Of course, no one is going to care or know if you check some emails and do some work--just like no one cared if you made some phone calls and did some work years ago. But, in most places, you probably shouldn't show up and say you'll be spending the next 90 days working remotely.
nivenkos 4y ago
No, if you're performing paid work like that it's still violating the visa. Just that normally no-one ever checks or cares. It could be a problem if you later try to become a resident in the same country though.

by trash3 4y ago

bkor 4y ago

> My understanding is, for an American in a EU country, is they can go and work remotely there for the 90 days as long as they are not conducting business in said country. That's not legal. To work in the EU you need a work visa. Though they ignore the business trips. What's legal and what's checked are different things. E.g. new foreign colleagues need to get a tax id in The Netherlands before they do any work. Doesn't matter if they came from the US.

ghaff 4y ago
I (from US) can't speak to the actual laws. But with respect to "what's checked," I've been asked the purpose of my visit at immigration in countless countries around the world and I'm always completely open about attending conferences and meeting with customers and no one over decades has batted an eye. (Of course in the handful of countries I did explicitly need business visas--like China--I got one.) Of course, there are a lot of unenforced laws on the books, but I'm a little skeptical that the millions and millions of people who travel cross-border on business trips every year are all mostly breaking immigration laws. To be fair, my experiences are all on relatively short trips--a few weeks at most and usually less. Perhaps there would be more issues if I were staying 90 days and was open about workationing the whole time.
- el-salvador 4y ago
  > I'm always completely open about attending conferences and meeting with customers and no one over decades has batted an eye. Attending conferences is usually ok, but it's a complicated topic because it depends on the traveller's passport, the visited country and how strict rules are enforced. As a foreign national, for example a U.S. B1 visa allows attending conferences and close business deals. But it doesn't explicitly allow working remotely for a non-US company.
  - ghaff 4y ago
    Of course, even a B1 isn't a tourist visa. A B2 (US tourist visa) specifically doesn't include non-social events. In any case, in most countries whether explicit or implicit that distinction is probably the right one. Of course, no one is going to care or know if you check some emails and do some work--just like no one cared if you made some phone calls and did some work years ago. But, in most places, you probably shouldn't show up and say you'll be spending the next 90 days working remotely.

nivenkos 4y ago

No, if you're performing paid work like that it's still violating the visa. Just that normally no-one ever checks or cares. It could be a problem if you later try to become a resident in the same country though.