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All serious safety concerns. Also: Something that happens more often than we hear about is tunnelers breaking into an open space which collapses some of the flo

by pwason 4y ago

All serious safety concerns. Also: Something that happens more often than we hear about is tunnelers breaking into an open space which collapses some of the floor they're standing on, causing them to fall and get seriously injured, or die. Is he tying himself to something? Does he have ground-penetrating radar?

LanceH 4y ago
There are a lot of things which could go wrong with tunneling. Bad air or collapse being a possibility. There is also the possibility he is competent at this as well. I would raise the idea of bringing someone in who could assess the current effort for safety and quality. Most people who are building properly should welcome this. Being highly defensive from prying eyes definitely raises some red flags.
nimbius 4y ago
s/tunnel/grave/ I one hundred percent agree. unless you have proper tools training and equipment for confined space work, trench work, and mine safety you shouldnt be doing this. depending on where you dig you risk exposure to a host of bad hombres including methane, radon, arsenic, and asbestos. One thing to consider is that property rights and mineral rights are completely different in most states. Identifying the owner of the mineral rights to the property might the the first step in getting him to cease and desist. another thing to remember is that if you dig too deep, get too stuck, or are generally too cumbersome, rescuers will not pursue your rescue or exhume your corpse. As in the 2009 nutty putty cave disaster, youll simply be left interred, with a memorial marker. death by entrapment is a slow death of exhaustion and dehydration.
- blip54321 4y ago
  Is it the role of society to stop people from taking risks they willingly accept? And at what point? If I want to skydive? Kayak across the Atlantic? Run a fight club? Build a custom homestead? Smoke? Drink? Do drugs? Play Russian Roulette? Where's the line? There's one somewhere. To me, digging tunnels feels like the sort of thing which we should allow. Some of the others, I'm okay banning.
  - rurp 4y ago
    I think we should absolutely allow people to pursue dangerous activities they are passionate about. Having limits on how far rescuers will go to bail you out of trouble is also perfectly fair.
  - JasonFruit 4y ago
    Why ought we to ban the others? That you're okay banning certain activities is no justification for stopping those who want to do them.
    - blip54321 4y ago
      (1) Societal impacts sometimes are (2) People not actually wanting to do them sometimes is a good reason too (e.g. free market forces, addiction, peer pressure) China after the opium wars is a good example of how this can play out.
  - krapp 4y ago
    >To me, digging tunnels feels like the sort of thing which we should allow. Except, you know, there might be electrical lines, sewer lines, water pipes, etc, underground. It might also affect property value, if your tunnel floods it could lead to mosquitos, lots of unintended consequences could happen. Also, if you have a family, loved ones, friends, etc, they also have a right to try to stop you from doing something potentially stupid. Although I guess if you want to buy an island or some land all by yourself and dig holes all day, whatever. Otherwise, we live in a society and when what we do has consequences for others around us, society tends to get involved.
    - mardifoufs 4y ago
      Should we then police the caloric intake of people too? Obesity kills way way more people than tunnels. Like where's the line? And while tunneling might damage utilities, obesity is putting a strain on the healthcare system. To be sure, I'm not saying we should treat overweight people any differently. It's just that your reasoning can be used to justify disallowing pretty much everything that isn't risk free. "We live in a society" goes both ways and does not imply individuals need to give up everything for the greater good
yissp 4y ago
As I'm sure any Minecraft player has experienced.
hinkley 4y ago
With trenches, since the person has their head above ground, they think even less of safety. The problem comes after a rain or a very dry period where the sides of the trench collapse. If you are unlucky, the dirt buckles your knees, pulling you down and possibly covering your head. There’s a reason construction teams bring in reinforced barricades for anything much over 3 feet. Yes it saves on rework, but it’s also about safety. When I was a kid my dad stopped me from digging a cave in a 5ft tall pile of snow that got stacked up by a plow. I was so mad about that for a long time, but he was probably right. Digging it would likely have been fine, but once it started to melt it could collapse at any point (probably during the heat of the day, when I or another child might have been around).

by pwason 4y ago

LanceH 4y ago

There are a lot of things which could go wrong with tunneling. Bad air or collapse being a possibility. There is also the possibility he is competent at this as well. I would raise the idea of bringing someone in who could assess the current effort for safety and quality. Most people who are building properly should welcome this. Being highly defensive from prying eyes definitely raises some red flags.

nimbius 4y ago

s/tunnel/grave/ I one hundred percent agree. unless you have proper tools training and equipment for confined space work, trench work, and mine safety you shouldnt be doing this. depending on where you dig you risk exposure to a host of bad hombres including methane, radon, arsenic, and asbestos. One thing to consider is that property rights and mineral rights are completely different in most states. Identifying the owner of the mineral rights to the property might the the first step in getting him to cease and desist. another thing to remember is that if you dig too deep, get too stuck, or are generally too cumbersome, rescuers will not pursue your rescue or exhume your corpse. As in the 2009 nutty putty cave disaster, youll simply be left interred, with a memorial marker. death by entrapment is a slow death of exhaustion and dehydration.

blip54321 4y ago
Is it the role of society to stop people from taking risks they willingly accept? And at what point? If I want to skydive? Kayak across the Atlantic? Run a fight club? Build a custom homestead? Smoke? Drink? Do drugs? Play Russian Roulette? Where's the line? There's one somewhere. To me, digging tunnels feels like the sort of thing which we should allow. Some of the others, I'm okay banning.
- rurp 4y ago
  I think we should absolutely allow people to pursue dangerous activities they are passionate about. Having limits on how far rescuers will go to bail you out of trouble is also perfectly fair.
- JasonFruit 4y ago
  Why ought we to ban the others? That you're okay banning certain activities is no justification for stopping those who want to do them.
  - blip54321 4y ago
    (1) Societal impacts sometimes are (2) People not actually wanting to do them sometimes is a good reason too (e.g. free market forces, addiction, peer pressure) China after the opium wars is a good example of how this can play out.
- krapp 4y ago
  >To me, digging tunnels feels like the sort of thing which we should allow. Except, you know, there might be electrical lines, sewer lines, water pipes, etc, underground. It might also affect property value, if your tunnel floods it could lead to mosquitos, lots of unintended consequences could happen. Also, if you have a family, loved ones, friends, etc, they also have a right to try to stop you from doing something potentially stupid. Although I guess if you want to buy an island or some land all by yourself and dig holes all day, whatever. Otherwise, we live in a society and when what we do has consequences for others around us, society tends to get involved.
  - mardifoufs 4y ago
    Should we then police the caloric intake of people too? Obesity kills way way more people than tunnels. Like where's the line? And while tunneling might damage utilities, obesity is putting a strain on the healthcare system. To be sure, I'm not saying we should treat overweight people any differently. It's just that your reasoning can be used to justify disallowing pretty much everything that isn't risk free. "We live in a society" goes both ways and does not imply individuals need to give up everything for the greater good

yissp 4y ago

As I'm sure any Minecraft player has experienced.

hinkley 4y ago

With trenches, since the person has their head above ground, they think even less of safety. The problem comes after a rain or a very dry period where the sides of the trench collapse. If you are unlucky, the dirt buckles your knees, pulling you down and possibly covering your head. There’s a reason construction teams bring in reinforced barricades for anything much over 3 feet. Yes it saves on rework, but it’s also about safety. When I was a kid my dad stopped me from digging a cave in a 5ft tall pile of snow that got stacked up by a plow. I was so mad about that for a long time, but he was probably right. Digging it would likely have been fine, but once it started to melt it could collapse at any point (probably during the heat of the day, when I or another child might have been around).