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Munro Live, who's video was linked to earlier in the thread, commented that Tesla line is shorter and more efficient as it takes only 12 hours to make one Model

Munro Live, who's video was linked to earlier in the thread, commented that Tesla line is shorter and more efficient as it takes only 12 hours to make one Model Y vs over 30 for VW EV. High assembly efficacy is mainly due to large front and read aluminum castings, new battery format 4680, and unique structural battery pack onto which, floor, seats and console are mounted and later integrated, in one go, into the chassis through the bottom of the vehicle.[0] [0]https://twitter.com/live_munro/status/1512215223268216833 https://twitter.com/live_munro/status/1512215223268216833

rootusrootus 4y ago
I like Sandy Munro, but he's not exactly an objective observer here.
- antattack 4y ago
  From what I have seen Munro is quite objective in his views and has impressive team of experts. As to the claim, Herbert Diess, CEO of VG group had said it himself: Tesla needs 10 hours while VW 30[1]. Diess is planning on improving VW efficacy to 20 hours per vehicle next year: [1]https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-11-04/vw-ceo-tells-german-workers-tesla-factory-will-threaten-jobs?sref=LspfQlRv https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-11-04/vw-ceo-te...
  - FireBeyond 4y ago
    Tesla's QC issues speak to being rushed through. Note that Diess never talks about getting down to 10 hours. "We still plan on taking twice as long as Tesla..." because they have run the numbers on QC and service costs.
    - panick21_ 4y ago
      Its nonsense that Tesla has far higher service cost. And QC doesn't take 10 hours and its also not really the bottle neck as you can easily scale that. VW has already announced a next generation platform where they are copying many aspects of Tesla architecture.
      - FireBeyond 4y ago
        Really? Hundreds, thousands of stories of new Teslas going repeatedly to service centers for things like panel alignment, missing brake pads, unglued windshields, leaks, unexplained rattles and so on... things that could have been detected on the line... that's "nonsense that that results in higher service costs" to Tesla?
        panick21_ 4y ago
        Tesla is in a media hype where everything is vastly overblown and published and gets shared like crazy. We don't have actual comparative data on issue. You can't just look at social media and distill facts from that. Have we really not learned this yet? Other car makers have dealers that take the cars first. We don't know how often people go back to those dealers or how many issues get fixed at the dealer. So we don't know if manufacturing mistakes are more common with Tesla. Service cost has not been holding back Tesla and its already turning profitable despite the majority of cars being under warranty. If it was as bad as you have made it up in your imagination this would not be happening. In fact having complete control over service and having to cover the cost of that makes sure Tesla has financial intensive to not build broken cars, arguably more so then OEMs with a dealership model. And in fact, in the major categories like motors, batteries, electronics and software have done very, very well in terms of quality, fare better then other EV. Tesla Mobile service can fix many issues without the owner ever having to interact with Tesla Service. This is an experience that is actually better then the majority of cars and it massively reduces the cost of fixing small and medium issues. But I am sure Diess will take 10 extra hours in production to check the panel gaps.

rootusrootus 4y ago

I like Sandy Munro, but he's not exactly an objective observer here.

antattack 4y ago
From what I have seen Munro is quite objective in his views and has impressive team of experts. As to the claim, Herbert Diess, CEO of VG group had said it himself: Tesla needs 10 hours while VW 30[1]. Diess is planning on improving VW efficacy to 20 hours per vehicle next year: [1]https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-11-04/vw-ceo-tells-german-workers-tesla-factory-will-threaten-jobs?sref=LspfQlRv https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-11-04/vw-ceo-te...
- FireBeyond 4y ago
  Tesla's QC issues speak to being rushed through. Note that Diess never talks about getting down to 10 hours. "We still plan on taking twice as long as Tesla..." because they have run the numbers on QC and service costs.
  - panick21_ 4y ago
    Its nonsense that Tesla has far higher service cost. And QC doesn't take 10 hours and its also not really the bottle neck as you can easily scale that. VW has already announced a next generation platform where they are copying many aspects of Tesla architecture.
    - FireBeyond 4y ago
      Really? Hundreds, thousands of stories of new Teslas going repeatedly to service centers for things like panel alignment, missing brake pads, unglued windshields, leaks, unexplained rattles and so on... things that could have been detected on the line... that's "nonsense that that results in higher service costs" to Tesla?
      - panick21_ 4y ago
        Tesla is in a media hype where everything is vastly overblown and published and gets shared like crazy. We don't have actual comparative data on issue. You can't just look at social media and distill facts from that. Have we really not learned this yet? Other car makers have dealers that take the cars first. We don't know how often people go back to those dealers or how many issues get fixed at the dealer. So we don't know if manufacturing mistakes are more common with Tesla. Service cost has not been holding back Tesla and its already turning profitable despite the majority of cars being under warranty. If it was as bad as you have made it up in your imagination this would not be happening. In fact having complete control over service and having to cover the cost of that makes sure Tesla has financial intensive to not build broken cars, arguably more so then OEMs with a dealership model. And in fact, in the major categories like motors, batteries, electronics and software have done very, very well in terms of quality, fare better then other EV. Tesla Mobile service can fix many issues without the owner ever having to interact with Tesla Service. This is an experience that is actually better then the majority of cars and it massively reduces the cost of fixing small and medium issues. But I am sure Diess will take 10 extra hours in production to check the panel gaps.