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Suppose the following reversed situation: - There is still a Warsaw Pact. - An Orange Revolution happens in Canada in 2014, backed by KGB neocon equivalents o
by rgmarker 4y ago
Suppose the following reversed situation:
- There is still a Warsaw Pact.
- An Orange Revolution happens in Canada in 2014, backed by KGB neocon equivalents of Nuland/Graham.
- A Russia friendly regime is installed in Canada in 2014.
- Canada has regions with large U.S. populations.
- Canada keeps pushing for Warsaw Pact membership.
- At a security conference in Munich in 2022, Canada's Russia friendly prime minister mentions that he could acquire nuclear weapons.
Would you say that the U.S. would likely invade according to the Monroe doctrine? Or would you say that Canada has the right of agency?
None of this is excusing Russia, but disregarding these issues leads to escalation. I'm astonished that the NATO hardliners apparently think that their policies have been a success (they are of course a success if the goal was a proxy war that tests the strength of Russia's military in the first place).
- depr 4y agoThese kinds of comments are a waste of time, some people are simply only capable of seeing their side as the good guys, and/or everything that happens as mono-causal.
- mensetmanusman 4y agoIn this analogy the US also agreed to protect Canada’s security for denuclearization, which they would have done (I.e. defanged threat). Russia ignoring the Budapest memorandum will be the most damning long term consequence since it teaches everyone that you will be attacked if you denuclearize.
- saiya-jin 4y agoYou over-simplify things quite a bit. Just because people in given country want freedom and not have as rulers constant puppets of russia doesn't mean they became US lapdogs. Its russia's fault that they globally represent oppression, corruption, incompetence, war crimes and now even genocide of their closest neighbors. Nobody normal would want to align with that voluntarily, only other bullies and murderers (which is exactly whats happening if you look at ie UN voting re Ukraine). Don't forget that Ukraine during ruling of all those russian puppets became country so desperately poor that even such a place like russia was rich by comparison. I don't find it strange at all that people just wanted to get rid of this constant negative drag on their very existence.
- mopsi 4y agoWhy do these analogies always leave out the part where the US commits genocide time and time again against Canada so that Canada sees such pacts as the only way to survive against renewed US calls for genocide in Canada?
- MrRiddle 4y agoPeople from US who think they have moral high ground makes them look incredibly stupid.