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I assumed his post must’ve been genuinely awful, based on how dramatic your response is, but it’s been flagged so I can’t see it. I did see a quote below from i

by coolso 4y ago

I assumed his post must’ve been genuinely awful, based on how dramatic your response is, but it’s been flagged so I can’t see it. I did see a quote below from it which makes it seem pretty harmless and now my gut is that your post is probably more “shocking” than his was… What’s with the current trend amongst certain members of society of using such extremely dramatic words to describe things that… aren’t actually that bad? It feels like a tabloid or something. “Shocking. Horrific. Abhorrent. Reprehensible.” (Like, unless you’ve been on the internet for a day, you really actually thought it was “shocking”?) I’m seeing this everywhere now and it’s kind of annoying. It’s like you don’t have much of an argument, and you realize they probably have a point, but you want to silence the opposition, so you downvote, flag, and then write something super melodramatic as an attempt to scare others away from daring to have a similar opinion. Pro-tip: you are likely reinforcing and bringing more people to the cause you so histrionically oppose.

adenozine 4y ago
It included the phrase "Women only want to look good and receive complements" if that gives you enough context? You've made a lot of assumptions and I suppose it's a waste of effort even responding to someone so vehemently convinced of my position despite having not heard anything from me. People have been shunned for thousands of years. It works. It's a functional and pragmatic tool for societal management. I don't have to take time and explain to someone why women are worthy of respect and of being treated in more than just one dimension, I can just choose to ridicule and exclude people who think that. It's far more efficient, and far more effective in cluing those people in to the civilized world. These people need help from somebody, but I'm not here to help them, I'm here to read and to discuss. If you saw someone acting antisocial at a bus stop, you'd feel bad. I would too. We'd both probably want for this person to receive help and attention, and to be given resources, like a therapist or psychiatrist. That being said, I'm just there to get on the bus, I'm not this person's keeper and it's in my best interest to not interact with this person to any extent beyond what's necessary, as they may be dangerous in some way. I treat people with these toxic opinions the same way. I truly do feel empathy that someone feels that women are objects or that one dimensional creatures. It sucks, and it makes that person both difficult to deal with and it probably makes their own life quite difficult as well. Still, they are reprehensible. They are shocking. They are horrific. It hurts, because it's supposed to. It keeps society greased up and functioning that these people hurt themselves, so that they might seek help for themselves, lest they stay the same and attract support to their cause. Histrionic. That's rich, coming from a reply to a reply of a stranger on the internet.
- coolso 4y ago
  > It included the phrase "Women only want to look good and receive complements" if that gives you enough context? Are you a male or a female? I have heard multiple women (friends, girlfriends, acquaintances) literally admit this. There is also a multitude of evidence that exists showing that the “theory” is not shocking in the slightest. These women I speak of don’t consider it a bad thing. Why should you, a (presumably) male consider it that way on their behalf? Or anti-scientifically argue against truths that are too shocking for you to handle?
  - archhn 4y ago
    Nope, it didn't. You're straight up lying.
    - coolso 4y ago
      FWIW I'm not the person claiming that, the person I'm responding to is.
    - krapp 4y ago
      You do know that your comment is still readable even after it's flagged, right? Anyone who wants to can literally read what you wrote.
      - lobocinza 4y ago
        To be accurate he said this: "I know many young men who are incredibly disgruntled, but many women I know don't care about the bigger picture at all. They are selfish. They don't care about history or the future. They just want to look good and get complements."
goto11 4y ago
It said things like "Women have always been better suited for taking orders and submitting." "women are better suited to thrive under oligarchic tyranny." Just enable showdead on your profile if you want to see all of it.
- archhn 4y ago
  Am I wrong? Are women not the more submissive sex? Is it not generally accepted that men are more independent than women? What's your argument against what I said?
  - goto11 4y ago
    No, this is not "generally accepted". Of course historically in traditional patriarchal cultures, women have been forced to submit, and men have had more individual freedom. That does not mean women are more more "suited" to submit any more than say enslaved peoples are more suited to submit than their captors. There are plenty of examples of men willingly submitting to authority, e.g. in the military.
  - coolso 4y ago
    You are 100% correct in your statement, and even women themselves know this and admit it... and like it. Some may be more shy to admit it, but they all do - especially behind closed doors. Even the most feminist, Bernie-voting women I know. The only problem with your statement is it goes against what our feminist, matriarchal schooling system and media have been shoving in our faces for the past several decades, so we've been conditioned just as they want us to be: to react as if the world is coming to an end because someone said something that makes females not look like strong, independent perfect, women who don't need no man (because men are evil, in so many words). What's wrong with women being more submissive and less independent? If everyone were the same the world would be a better place. Man needs woman, woman needs man...hence why we're all here today. Men have their own flaws we're more than happy to own up to. And those flaws, like women's innate flaws, are so great because it allows men and women to serve even more of a purpose for each other and make each other complete.

by coolso 4y ago

adenozine 4y ago

It included the phrase "Women only want to look good and receive complements" if that gives you enough context? You've made a lot of assumptions and I suppose it's a waste of effort even responding to someone so vehemently convinced of my position despite having not heard anything from me. People have been shunned for thousands of years. It works. It's a functional and pragmatic tool for societal management. I don't have to take time and explain to someone why women are worthy of respect and of being treated in more than just one dimension, I can just choose to ridicule and exclude people who think that. It's far more efficient, and far more effective in cluing those people in to the civilized world. These people need help from somebody, but I'm not here to help them, I'm here to read and to discuss. If you saw someone acting antisocial at a bus stop, you'd feel bad. I would too. We'd both probably want for this person to receive help and attention, and to be given resources, like a therapist or psychiatrist. That being said, I'm just there to get on the bus, I'm not this person's keeper and it's in my best interest to not interact with this person to any extent beyond what's necessary, as they may be dangerous in some way. I treat people with these toxic opinions the same way. I truly do feel empathy that someone feels that women are objects or that one dimensional creatures. It sucks, and it makes that person both difficult to deal with and it probably makes their own life quite difficult as well. Still, they are reprehensible. They are shocking. They are horrific. It hurts, because it's supposed to. It keeps society greased up and functioning that these people hurt themselves, so that they might seek help for themselves, lest they stay the same and attract support to their cause. Histrionic. That's rich, coming from a reply to a reply of a stranger on the internet.

coolso 4y ago
> It included the phrase "Women only want to look good and receive complements" if that gives you enough context? Are you a male or a female? I have heard multiple women (friends, girlfriends, acquaintances) literally admit this. There is also a multitude of evidence that exists showing that the “theory” is not shocking in the slightest. These women I speak of don’t consider it a bad thing. Why should you, a (presumably) male consider it that way on their behalf? Or anti-scientifically argue against truths that are too shocking for you to handle?
- archhn 4y ago
  Nope, it didn't. You're straight up lying.
  - coolso 4y ago
    FWIW I'm not the person claiming that, the person I'm responding to is.
  - krapp 4y ago
    You do know that your comment is still readable even after it's flagged, right? Anyone who wants to can literally read what you wrote.
    - lobocinza 4y ago
      To be accurate he said this: "I know many young men who are incredibly disgruntled, but many women I know don't care about the bigger picture at all. They are selfish. They don't care about history or the future. They just want to look good and get complements."

goto11 4y ago

It said things like "Women have always been better suited for taking orders and submitting." "women are better suited to thrive under oligarchic tyranny." Just enable showdead on your profile if you want to see all of it.

archhn 4y ago
Am I wrong? Are women not the more submissive sex? Is it not generally accepted that men are more independent than women? What's your argument against what I said?
- goto11 4y ago
  No, this is not "generally accepted". Of course historically in traditional patriarchal cultures, women have been forced to submit, and men have had more individual freedom. That does not mean women are more more "suited" to submit any more than say enslaved peoples are more suited to submit than their captors. There are plenty of examples of men willingly submitting to authority, e.g. in the military.
- coolso 4y ago
  You are 100% correct in your statement, and even women themselves know this and admit it... and like it. Some may be more shy to admit it, but they all do - especially behind closed doors. Even the most feminist, Bernie-voting women I know. The only problem with your statement is it goes against what our feminist, matriarchal schooling system and media have been shoving in our faces for the past several decades, so we've been conditioned just as they want us to be: to react as if the world is coming to an end because someone said something that makes females not look like strong, independent perfect, women who don't need no man (because men are evil, in so many words). What's wrong with women being more submissive and less independent? If everyone were the same the world would be a better place. Man needs woman, woman needs man...hence why we're all here today. Men have their own flaws we're more than happy to own up to. And those flaws, like women's innate flaws, are so great because it allows men and women to serve even more of a purpose for each other and make each other complete.