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Why are you all paying so much attention to this man? He did nothing good with his life, just distracted a lot of people with shiny stuff while reaching into th

by Produce 15y ago

Why are you all paying so much attention to this man? He did nothing good with his life, just distracted a lot of people with shiny stuff while reaching into their pockets. He did so in a creative way, but this is hardly someone to be praised for his accomplishments.

danssig 15y ago
I don't understand why this troll post hasn't been down voted into the background by now. What Steve did that was so important was he finally started forcing technology to bend to our whims instead of the other way around. I remember when I finally bought my first Apple anything: a unibody MBP. I had played around with the new mouse pad for hours in various stores before I finally decided I was going to make the switch. For the development I do at home Windows was always the worst platform anyway, so why not. I took the thing home and had everything set up in a way I could use in less than an hour. After never having touched OSX before. When I contrast that with the ~2 days of screwing around I always had with each new windows installation (which had to be repeated per machine for every upgrade and sometimes as normal maintenance!) it was really eye opening. Then the iPad came out and pushed that even further. Now instead of having a dedicated room with a desktop setting in it, most people can have a magazine sitting on their coffee table that happens to also do everything they needed a computer for. That's a huge step forward and I honestly don't know when we would have ever saw it if Steve didn't show us the way. He didn't cure cancer but he was a hacker like us who had effects far outside his domain.
- Produce 15y ago
  These ideas were always obvious in our culture. Slick, touch screen devices were in films long before the iPhone. I applaud him for the execution and marketing but that's it. There is nothing exciting about locking a platform down and having a reliable end product either. Linux - completely flexible, unpopular as a desktop OS; Windows - partially locked down, popular but not loved; Mac OS - completely locked down, not widespread but loved. Controlling a tight environment is an order of magnitude easier. Someone was going to take that corner of the market and it just happened to be him. I would call someone like this an anti-hacker for he lived with a philosophy which was distinctly against the grain of hacker culture and his own technical ability was sub-par. He was an entrepreneur, a great one at that. The issue I have is that this is considered to be such important news when people who have made more than a superficial impact on the world (innovating luxury goods is about as far from that as I can imagine) are completely ignored here when they perish.
  - danssig 15y ago
    >These ideas were always obvious in our culture. Then why did the iPod/iPhone/iPad come from Apple and not Produce? >which was distinctly against the grain of hacker culture Really? All the dev tools I use work better on Mac than windows. I don't really care how well they work on Linux because the Linux desktop makes me spend too much time doing something I don't care about: administration (which is why I dropped Windows too, btw). >and his own technical ability was sub-par. Nice, everyone loves judgmental people. Even if you're right, who cares? As you say, he was a great entrepreneur. In some ways, that's the greatest of hacking: hacking the world into wanting something you've made. >innovating luxury goods is about as far from that as I can imagine Again, he put the computer in our hands in a way that no one had before (at least not to that level). If we ever get to the star trek or minority report (the good technology parts) world, what Jobs made will be the first steps of the stairs that take us there. That's not a "superficial" impact.
    - Produce 15y ago
      >Then why did the iPod/iPhone/iPad come from Apple and not Produce? Because an entrepreneur called Steve Jobs delivered the product first. Just because a concept is in the culture it doesn't mean that it has been realised. >Really? All the dev tools I use work better on Mac than windows. I don't really care how well they work on Linux because the Linux desktop makes me spend too much time doing something I don't care about: administration (which is why I dropped Windows too, btw). I have no experience with their dev tools so I can't comment on that. Hacker culture is one of freedom and exploration. If you're going to argue that Apple somehow represent those values then we should just move on to the next point. >Nice, everyone loves judgmental people. Just like everyone loves judging these words I'm typing? >Even if you're right, who cares? As you say, he was a great entrepreneur. In some ways, that's the greatest of hacking: hacking the world into wanting something you've made. The common word for that is marketing. >Again, he put the computer in our hands in a way that no one had before (at least not to that level). If we ever get to the star trek or minority report (the good technology parts) world, what Jobs made will be the first steps of the stairs that take us there. That's not a "superficial" impact. No, the first steps were made by Xerox, IBM, Stanley Kubrick, the writers of Star Trek, and various others. This is very far from the first step - the concept was already in place, material industries already had the capability to create things like gorilla glass, there were already hundreds of prototypes (i.e. the initial tablet PC's). Jobs did what any good business man does, he saw an opportunity and took it, to which I respond with an emphatic 'so what?'. It's like crack dealers say - 'if I don't sell it, someone else will'. That's the rule of business. Yet why do we forget that it wasn't Jobs who put in all of those thousands (millions?) of man-hours to develop these products? He provided some non/functional requirements then people who are competent with technology brought them to fruition. Why is one person saying 'this is good' or 'this is bad' get so much attention yet the people who did the work are not only forgotten about but have their labor attributed to someone else? One could argue that it wouldn't have happened without him. Well it wouldn't have happened without the 20,000 other people either. Honestly, if I'm going to idolize someone then it damn well better be someone who's made humanity better off by helping to solve it's perpetual problems or exploring the boundaries of what we know. This is so boring in comparison. Someone packaged up existing stuff into a polished product and sold it to lots of people. I really don't get it. And to everyone calling me a troll, that word is reserved for people who feign a type of personality in order to bait others into becoming angry. This is my opinion and I can assure you that I am not trolling.
cubicle67 15y ago
really? so you think your small bitter self, fuelled by a few thing you've read written by other small bitter people, understands Jobs better than the people who've spent decades working alongside him? piss of back to 4chan
- Produce 15y ago
  It's just my opinion, which I am entitled to. Also, show me what's wrong with the world ("your small bitter self") and I'll show you what's wrong with you ("piss of back to 4chan").
- ColinWright 15y ago
  Do not feed the troll.

by Produce 15y ago

danssig 15y ago

I don't understand why this troll post hasn't been down voted into the background by now. What Steve did that was so important was he finally started forcing technology to bend to our whims instead of the other way around. I remember when I finally bought my first Apple anything: a unibody MBP. I had played around with the new mouse pad for hours in various stores before I finally decided I was going to make the switch. For the development I do at home Windows was always the worst platform anyway, so why not. I took the thing home and had everything set up in a way I could use in less than an hour. After never having touched OSX before. When I contrast that with the ~2 days of screwing around I always had with each new windows installation (which had to be repeated per machine for every upgrade and sometimes as normal maintenance!) it was really eye opening. Then the iPad came out and pushed that even further. Now instead of having a dedicated room with a desktop setting in it, most people can have a magazine sitting on their coffee table that happens to also do everything they needed a computer for. That's a huge step forward and I honestly don't know when we would have ever saw it if Steve didn't show us the way. He didn't cure cancer but he was a hacker like us who had effects far outside his domain.

Produce 15y ago
These ideas were always obvious in our culture. Slick, touch screen devices were in films long before the iPhone. I applaud him for the execution and marketing but that's it. There is nothing exciting about locking a platform down and having a reliable end product either. Linux - completely flexible, unpopular as a desktop OS; Windows - partially locked down, popular but not loved; Mac OS - completely locked down, not widespread but loved. Controlling a tight environment is an order of magnitude easier. Someone was going to take that corner of the market and it just happened to be him. I would call someone like this an anti-hacker for he lived with a philosophy which was distinctly against the grain of hacker culture and his own technical ability was sub-par. He was an entrepreneur, a great one at that. The issue I have is that this is considered to be such important news when people who have made more than a superficial impact on the world (innovating luxury goods is about as far from that as I can imagine) are completely ignored here when they perish.
- danssig 15y ago
  >These ideas were always obvious in our culture. Then why did the iPod/iPhone/iPad come from Apple and not Produce? >which was distinctly against the grain of hacker culture Really? All the dev tools I use work better on Mac than windows. I don't really care how well they work on Linux because the Linux desktop makes me spend too much time doing something I don't care about: administration (which is why I dropped Windows too, btw). >and his own technical ability was sub-par. Nice, everyone loves judgmental people. Even if you're right, who cares? As you say, he was a great entrepreneur. In some ways, that's the greatest of hacking: hacking the world into wanting something you've made. >innovating luxury goods is about as far from that as I can imagine Again, he put the computer in our hands in a way that no one had before (at least not to that level). If we ever get to the star trek or minority report (the good technology parts) world, what Jobs made will be the first steps of the stairs that take us there. That's not a "superficial" impact.
  - Produce 15y ago
    >Then why did the iPod/iPhone/iPad come from Apple and not Produce? Because an entrepreneur called Steve Jobs delivered the product first. Just because a concept is in the culture it doesn't mean that it has been realised. >Really? All the dev tools I use work better on Mac than windows. I don't really care how well they work on Linux because the Linux desktop makes me spend too much time doing something I don't care about: administration (which is why I dropped Windows too, btw). I have no experience with their dev tools so I can't comment on that. Hacker culture is one of freedom and exploration. If you're going to argue that Apple somehow represent those values then we should just move on to the next point. >Nice, everyone loves judgmental people. Just like everyone loves judging these words I'm typing? >Even if you're right, who cares? As you say, he was a great entrepreneur. In some ways, that's the greatest of hacking: hacking the world into wanting something you've made. The common word for that is marketing. >Again, he put the computer in our hands in a way that no one had before (at least not to that level). If we ever get to the star trek or minority report (the good technology parts) world, what Jobs made will be the first steps of the stairs that take us there. That's not a "superficial" impact. No, the first steps were made by Xerox, IBM, Stanley Kubrick, the writers of Star Trek, and various others. This is very far from the first step - the concept was already in place, material industries already had the capability to create things like gorilla glass, there were already hundreds of prototypes (i.e. the initial tablet PC's). Jobs did what any good business man does, he saw an opportunity and took it, to which I respond with an emphatic 'so what?'. It's like crack dealers say - 'if I don't sell it, someone else will'. That's the rule of business. Yet why do we forget that it wasn't Jobs who put in all of those thousands (millions?) of man-hours to develop these products? He provided some non/functional requirements then people who are competent with technology brought them to fruition. Why is one person saying 'this is good' or 'this is bad' get so much attention yet the people who did the work are not only forgotten about but have their labor attributed to someone else? One could argue that it wouldn't have happened without him. Well it wouldn't have happened without the 20,000 other people either. Honestly, if I'm going to idolize someone then it damn well better be someone who's made humanity better off by helping to solve it's perpetual problems or exploring the boundaries of what we know. This is so boring in comparison. Someone packaged up existing stuff into a polished product and sold it to lots of people. I really don't get it. And to everyone calling me a troll, that word is reserved for people who feign a type of personality in order to bait others into becoming angry. This is my opinion and I can assure you that I am not trolling.

cubicle67 15y ago

really? so you think your small bitter self, fuelled by a few thing you've read written by other small bitter people, understands Jobs better than the people who've spent decades working alongside him? piss of back to 4chan

Produce 15y ago
It's just my opinion, which I am entitled to. Also, show me what's wrong with the world ("your small bitter self") and I'll show you what's wrong with you ("piss of back to 4chan").
ColinWright 15y ago
Do not feed the troll.