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I love that the fines are scaled to income, makes so much more sense than a flat rate.

hef19898 4y ago
That's a Scandinavian thing I love as well. I remeber that a Nokia CEO once paid the equivilant of a new Porsche 911 for a speeding ticket in Helsinki. On the other hand, I like it when my tickets are basically only table change for me. Egoistics aside, scaling tjose fines with income would be much fairer than a flat fee.
- mywittyname 4y ago
  Kind of gives police departments justification for profiling wealthier people. The country already has a serious problem with policing for profit, and you can bet it will only get worse if they can issue $10k+ tickets to individuals. As it stands now, if you get a BS ticket from one of these towns[1], you're out a few hundred bucks. Scale it up to a month's wage. In a lot of these places, you can't even get a fair trial because the local court is in on the action. https://www.thrillist.com/cars/nation/the-worst-speed-traps-in-every-state https://www.thrillist.com/cars/nation/the-worst-speed-traps-...
  - darkwater 4y ago
    Towns trying to juice out money from drivers happen at very least in Italy as well which is not Northern Europe at all. At least in NE this scales up for the wealthy as well. In Italy's case if you are rich you can just ignore speed limits (to a certain degree, driving licenses have points and you lose some of them when caught doing something illegal).
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  - cgriswald 4y ago
    California solved this by making speed limits not specified explicitly by the CVC unenforceable if they aren't backed up by a traffic survey. This will still result in places where the speed limit drops and local enforcement may try to profit from the drop. However, it stops local governments from reducing the speed limit arbitrarily for the purpose of creating a revenue stream.
  - HWR_14 4y ago
    Right now, due to probation fees and interest, it's in the police's best interest to ticket poor people who pay more and cannot fight back. Having the police target wealthier people is strictly better, since they have the power and incentive to fight back against BS But we should also take steps to fight policing for profit.

hef19898 4y ago

That's a Scandinavian thing I love as well. I remeber that a Nokia CEO once paid the equivilant of a new Porsche 911 for a speeding ticket in Helsinki. On the other hand, I like it when my tickets are basically only table change for me. Egoistics aside, scaling tjose fines with income would be much fairer than a flat fee.

mywittyname 4y ago
Kind of gives police departments justification for profiling wealthier people. The country already has a serious problem with policing for profit, and you can bet it will only get worse if they can issue $10k+ tickets to individuals. As it stands now, if you get a BS ticket from one of these towns[1], you're out a few hundred bucks. Scale it up to a month's wage. In a lot of these places, you can't even get a fair trial because the local court is in on the action. https://www.thrillist.com/cars/nation/the-worst-speed-traps-in-every-state https://www.thrillist.com/cars/nation/the-worst-speed-traps-...
- darkwater 4y ago
  Towns trying to juice out money from drivers happen at very least in Italy as well which is not Northern Europe at all. At least in NE this scales up for the wealthy as well. In Italy's case if you are rich you can just ignore speed limits (to a certain degree, driving licenses have points and you lose some of them when caught doing something illegal).
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- cgriswald 4y ago
  California solved this by making speed limits not specified explicitly by the CVC unenforceable if they aren't backed up by a traffic survey. This will still result in places where the speed limit drops and local enforcement may try to profit from the drop. However, it stops local governments from reducing the speed limit arbitrarily for the purpose of creating a revenue stream.
- HWR_14 4y ago
  Right now, due to probation fees and interest, it's in the police's best interest to ticket poor people who pay more and cannot fight back. Having the police target wealthier people is strictly better, since they have the power and incentive to fight back against BS But we should also take steps to fight policing for profit.