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The amount almost doesn't matter (it's definitely on the high side compared to alternatives). They can definitely afford it if they have a reasonable budget. Ho

The amount almost doesn't matter (it's definitely on the high side compared to alternatives). They can definitely afford it if they have a reasonable budget. However, how Vimeo has treated them as a paying customer is terrible.

KaoruAoiShiho 4y ago
What alternatives have you looked at? It's fair priced imo.
- nacs 4y ago
  Hvae you heard of Youtube? They'll even pay for the videos instead.
  - hannasanarion 4y ago
    Youtube is ad-supported. You can't upload videos more than 15 minutes long without letting Youtube put preroll and mid-roll ads all over them, and the only access-control method it supports is "unlisted", where anybody with the URL can see it. Creators don't want to force their paying Patreon supporters to watch ads for content that they paid for, and that can be leaked to the whole world if somebody merely ctrl-vs a bit of text.
    - plorkyeran 4y ago
      > the only access-control method it supports is "unlisted", where anybody with the URL can see it. Google Workspace supports videos which are private to an organization, but it's annoying to use (you have to switch your active account to the Workspace one) and much, much more expensive than Vimeo's new pricing scheme if you used it just for private videos.
      - ev1 4y ago
        In the use case of this context, where the business (patreon creator) publishes a video, none of the viewers will be in a Workspace organisation, unfortunately.
        plorkyeran 4y ago
        They could invite every patron to a Workspace org. It'd just be a terrible (and expensive) way to do it.
    - agentofoblivion 4y ago
      I have many videos on YouTube, several over an hour long, and have only monetized one video with ads as an experiment. What do you mean you can’t upload videos without ads being put on them?
      - MrRadar 4y ago
        Since 2020, Youtube can put ads on all videos, even those that are not "monetized" by the uploader (in which case Youtube just keeps the revenue for itself). https://www.searchenginejournal.com/youtube-is-showing-ads-on-non-monetized-channels/388674/ https://www.searchenginejournal.com/youtube-is-showing-ads-o...
  - KaoruAoiShiho 4y ago
    It's an ad supported video platform that will give data to google, advertise your competitors to your customers, distract your customers from your product by being an entertainment social network site, have relatively poor analytics, etc. It's a non-starter for many businesses. But of course not using it only makes sense if you can monetize your videos yourself by selling it or another product. When you upload on YT you are the product, YT sells you and your data and they profit. What vimeo is selling is hosting, saas, and bandwidth. They dont' profit at all except for what you pay them. vimeo comparatively to CDNs and SaaS hosting providers have a decent price. If you don't think so then hire someone to set up cloudflare stream and your own website.
- Valenti_7 4y ago

KaoruAoiShiho 4y ago

What alternatives have you looked at? It's fair priced imo.

nacs 4y ago
Hvae you heard of Youtube? They'll even pay for the videos instead.
- hannasanarion 4y ago
  Youtube is ad-supported. You can't upload videos more than 15 minutes long without letting Youtube put preroll and mid-roll ads all over them, and the only access-control method it supports is "unlisted", where anybody with the URL can see it. Creators don't want to force their paying Patreon supporters to watch ads for content that they paid for, and that can be leaked to the whole world if somebody merely ctrl-vs a bit of text.
  - plorkyeran 4y ago
    > the only access-control method it supports is "unlisted", where anybody with the URL can see it. Google Workspace supports videos which are private to an organization, but it's annoying to use (you have to switch your active account to the Workspace one) and much, much more expensive than Vimeo's new pricing scheme if you used it just for private videos.
    - ev1 4y ago
      In the use case of this context, where the business (patreon creator) publishes a video, none of the viewers will be in a Workspace organisation, unfortunately.
      - plorkyeran 4y ago
        They could invite every patron to a Workspace org. It'd just be a terrible (and expensive) way to do it.
  - agentofoblivion 4y ago
    I have many videos on YouTube, several over an hour long, and have only monetized one video with ads as an experiment. What do you mean you can’t upload videos without ads being put on them?
    - MrRadar 4y ago
      Since 2020, Youtube can put ads on all videos, even those that are not "monetized" by the uploader (in which case Youtube just keeps the revenue for itself). https://www.searchenginejournal.com/youtube-is-showing-ads-on-non-monetized-channels/388674/ https://www.searchenginejournal.com/youtube-is-showing-ads-o...
- KaoruAoiShiho 4y ago
  It's an ad supported video platform that will give data to google, advertise your competitors to your customers, distract your customers from your product by being an entertainment social network site, have relatively poor analytics, etc. It's a non-starter for many businesses. But of course not using it only makes sense if you can monetize your videos yourself by selling it or another product. When you upload on YT you are the product, YT sells you and your data and they profit. What vimeo is selling is hosting, saas, and bandwidth. They dont' profit at all except for what you pay them. vimeo comparatively to CDNs and SaaS hosting providers have a decent price. If you don't think so then hire someone to set up cloudflare stream and your own website.
Valenti_7 4y ago