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I'm not a person with lots of free time that wants to update to the latest and greatest every year. I now appreciate apple phones knowing I can upgrade when I

I'm not a person with lots of free time that wants to update to the latest and greatest every year. I now appreciate apple phones knowing I can upgrade when I want and not in 1 year, 9 months when Google/Samsung drop support for my phone. Also, CalyxOS on Android provides that same concept of support for old pixels if you want to just keep using your phone as-is.

rodgerd 5y ago
> I'm not a person with lots of free time > CalyxOS on Android Pick one.
- new_stranger 5y ago
  Took about 10 minutes to install and most of that was just waiting for the os to transfer to the phone. Really easy install guide. Works great. I wouldn't ask grandma to do it, but the technical crowd here probably isn't scared of running a couple cli commands.
  - Nextgrid 5y ago
    That still doesn't address the issue that it's community-supported and can disappear at any time. Cyanogenmod used to be the main alternative ROM back in the day, and disappeared virtually overnight? It came back as LineageOS but it still meant that people had to reinstall (or somehow convert their Cyanogen install into Lineage, if that's possible) which takes time.
    - rodgerd 5y ago
      There's also the endless juggles of "is this phone supported, do I need to root it, is the root current, no wait this version is just different enough from that version that I need a custom version of the ROM from a third party, oh the SOC means that the kernel can't be patched for security problems" and so on. It's a non-trivial effort.
      - aaaaaaaaata 5y ago
        > There's also the endless juggles of "is this phone supported Stop only caring after the fact if you've bought a device with a path to freedom.
        rodgerd 5y ago
        Ah yes, the answer to "I would like a reasonable degree of support and security for my phone without having to be a full time sysadmin" is "treat your phone like a 1997 Linux PC project.
        jdhzzz 5y ago
        I devote significant time to avoiding taking on sysadmin tasks. Just got Frontier Fiber. Had always done my own network admin, but they throw in a couple of routers and I decided it was better to have something they supported than try to make sure I had coverage on every square inch (sorry from USA) of yard. We'll see if I am happy with that choice.
    - Dylan16807 5y ago
      I can tolerate an extra install every five to ten years.
JazzXP 5y ago
This is what pushed me back to Apple after a single Android device. After 18 months, it was running like crap, and when I bought it, it was considered one of the best flagship Android devices available (there was another that was equal, so it was a coin toss between them).
- duxup 5y ago
  Yeah there's an Android Slowdown Syndrome that I don't know what it is... but Android has it. My wife's old iPhone 8 still runs fine. All my old android phones from that time are a mess.
  - FredPret 5y ago
    Maybe there’s an AI that insinuates itself onto Android phones as it finds them
  - spicybright 5y ago
    I bought the first android phone, the G1, back in the day. It had a peculiar bug where the entire phone would slowdown if you had too many text messages stored, among other things. A factory reset would fix it though. A bit disappointing that solution still needs to be a thing.
    - ytch 5y ago
      AFAIK, it is usually caused by shitty eMMC/flash storage. If it is almost full, the performance is degraded. If it is written a lot of data over time, performance is degraded too.
  - mt_ 5y ago
    Maybe because most people compare budget Android phones to the Apple's flagships
    - duxup 5y ago
      I've experienced it up and down the Android line, top of the line Samsung, nexus, pixels and so on. I have no idea what it is that causes it, but it's a thing.
2OEH8eoCRo0 5y ago
Google guarantees 5 years of security updates for Pixel phones now.

rodgerd 5y ago

> I'm not a person with lots of free time > CalyxOS on Android Pick one.

new_stranger 5y ago
Took about 10 minutes to install and most of that was just waiting for the os to transfer to the phone. Really easy install guide. Works great. I wouldn't ask grandma to do it, but the technical crowd here probably isn't scared of running a couple cli commands.
- Nextgrid 5y ago
  That still doesn't address the issue that it's community-supported and can disappear at any time. Cyanogenmod used to be the main alternative ROM back in the day, and disappeared virtually overnight? It came back as LineageOS but it still meant that people had to reinstall (or somehow convert their Cyanogen install into Lineage, if that's possible) which takes time.
  - rodgerd 5y ago
    There's also the endless juggles of "is this phone supported, do I need to root it, is the root current, no wait this version is just different enough from that version that I need a custom version of the ROM from a third party, oh the SOC means that the kernel can't be patched for security problems" and so on. It's a non-trivial effort.
    - aaaaaaaaata 5y ago
      > There's also the endless juggles of "is this phone supported Stop only caring after the fact if you've bought a device with a path to freedom.
      - rodgerd 5y ago
        Ah yes, the answer to "I would like a reasonable degree of support and security for my phone without having to be a full time sysadmin" is "treat your phone like a 1997 Linux PC project.
        jdhzzz 5y ago
        I devote significant time to avoiding taking on sysadmin tasks. Just got Frontier Fiber. Had always done my own network admin, but they throw in a couple of routers and I decided it was better to have something they supported than try to make sure I had coverage on every square inch (sorry from USA) of yard. We'll see if I am happy with that choice.
  - Dylan16807 5y ago
    I can tolerate an extra install every five to ten years.

JazzXP 5y ago

This is what pushed me back to Apple after a single Android device. After 18 months, it was running like crap, and when I bought it, it was considered one of the best flagship Android devices available (there was another that was equal, so it was a coin toss between them).

duxup 5y ago
Yeah there's an Android Slowdown Syndrome that I don't know what it is... but Android has it. My wife's old iPhone 8 still runs fine. All my old android phones from that time are a mess.
- FredPret 5y ago
  Maybe there’s an AI that insinuates itself onto Android phones as it finds them
- spicybright 5y ago
  I bought the first android phone, the G1, back in the day. It had a peculiar bug where the entire phone would slowdown if you had too many text messages stored, among other things. A factory reset would fix it though. A bit disappointing that solution still needs to be a thing.
  - ytch 5y ago
    AFAIK, it is usually caused by shitty eMMC/flash storage. If it is almost full, the performance is degraded. If it is written a lot of data over time, performance is degraded too.
- mt_ 5y ago
  Maybe because most people compare budget Android phones to the Apple's flagships
  - duxup 5y ago
    I've experienced it up and down the Android line, top of the line Samsung, nexus, pixels and so on. I have no idea what it is that causes it, but it's a thing.

2OEH8eoCRo0 5y ago

Google guarantees 5 years of security updates for Pixel phones now.