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Pipe dream. You can’t run a military on green energy. The West needs to re-industrialize, quickly, or it’ll lose the next Cold War.

amusedcyclist 5y ago
1. The Cold War wasn't won by the military. 2. You can definitely run a military on green energy 3. The world is moving towards more cooperation, not less. 4. Yes the west should re-industrialize by electrifying everything and replacing all the dirty energy production with green energy production
- programmarchy 5y ago
  1. Couldn’t have been won without it though. 2. Ships, jets, and rockets all require fuel. Coal is required to produce steel. 3. Could have been, but this trend is reversing. The only place becoming more unified might be Europe, and the relationship between China and Russia. We are shifting away from the unipolar world order of dollar hegemony. 4. Would agree if nuclear is counted.
  - landemva 5y ago
    Europe unification will crack within a decade. Southern Europe is strangled by euro without effective ability to shift course. It will be okay, like brexit.
    - programmarchy 5y ago
      Can you elaborate a bit? Doesn't the Ukraine/Russia conflict imposing an existential threat on Europe change your calculation? For example, we see Germany re-militarizing [1], which would have been unthinkable even a few years ago. Security trumps economics. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/27/world/europe/germany-ukraine-russia.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/27/world/europe/germany-ukra...
      - landemva 5y ago
        Since you brought up trump, he was on to something when he questioned why USA still runs NATO. Europe can provide for their own defense. USA can still sell them equipment.
        orwin 5y ago
        If the EU provide for its own defense, i guarantee you it won't buy American. Now that the UK is out, Eu main militaries are French and Italian, two countries with major arms dealer. You can be certain that if USA leave the helm, all deals for the European Army will benefit those two.
    - sofixa 5y ago
      I call bullshit. Southern Europe ( Spain, Portugal, Italy, Greece, because they're the only ones on the euro) have had drastic success in Covid stimulus negotiations, and look well poised to apply it well. And if you look at the political situation there, there are no big eurosceptic parties with consistent ( not a one time fluke) success. Especially with the devolving security situation, and post-Covid, the EU is only going to get more important and needed by European countries.
- deburo 5y ago
  Nuclearize all the things, like we are in 1960s. It’s actually exciting that it came back in force.
landemva 5y ago
The US military runs engines without emissions controls because ... war. It is embarassing to waste so much wealth on endless conflicts. DoD spend continues to be a white-collar welfare program.

amusedcyclist 5y ago

1. The Cold War wasn't won by the military. 2. You can definitely run a military on green energy 3. The world is moving towards more cooperation, not less. 4. Yes the west should re-industrialize by electrifying everything and replacing all the dirty energy production with green energy production

programmarchy 5y ago
1. Couldn’t have been won without it though. 2. Ships, jets, and rockets all require fuel. Coal is required to produce steel. 3. Could have been, but this trend is reversing. The only place becoming more unified might be Europe, and the relationship between China and Russia. We are shifting away from the unipolar world order of dollar hegemony. 4. Would agree if nuclear is counted.
- landemva 5y ago
  Europe unification will crack within a decade. Southern Europe is strangled by euro without effective ability to shift course. It will be okay, like brexit.
  - programmarchy 5y ago
    Can you elaborate a bit? Doesn't the Ukraine/Russia conflict imposing an existential threat on Europe change your calculation? For example, we see Germany re-militarizing [1], which would have been unthinkable even a few years ago. Security trumps economics. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/27/world/europe/germany-ukraine-russia.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/27/world/europe/germany-ukra...
    - landemva 5y ago
      Since you brought up trump, he was on to something when he questioned why USA still runs NATO. Europe can provide for their own defense. USA can still sell them equipment.
      - orwin 5y ago
        If the EU provide for its own defense, i guarantee you it won't buy American. Now that the UK is out, Eu main militaries are French and Italian, two countries with major arms dealer. You can be certain that if USA leave the helm, all deals for the European Army will benefit those two.
  - sofixa 5y ago
    I call bullshit. Southern Europe ( Spain, Portugal, Italy, Greece, because they're the only ones on the euro) have had drastic success in Covid stimulus negotiations, and look well poised to apply it well. And if you look at the political situation there, there are no big eurosceptic parties with consistent ( not a one time fluke) success. Especially with the devolving security situation, and post-Covid, the EU is only going to get more important and needed by European countries.
deburo 5y ago
Nuclearize all the things, like we are in 1960s. It’s actually exciting that it came back in force.

landemva 5y ago

The US military runs engines without emissions controls because ... war. It is embarassing to waste so much wealth on endless conflicts. DoD spend continues to be a white-collar welfare program.