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Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant is under fire

47 points by Fetiorin 5y ago

Fetiorin 5y ago
One of the biggest nuclear power plants in Europe is under fire
- terafo 5y ago
  The biggest one.
- yucky 5y ago
  I wonder if Germany will reconsider their anti-nuclear power stance...
the_duke 5y ago
A live stream of combat between two major countries, in the middle of Europe, right next to the biggest nuclear power plant in Europe, and it's on fire. And we all thought the COVID experience was surreal...
ianai 5y ago
Dupe https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30549116 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30549116
Trasmatta 5y ago
Is this a strategic location? Why would Russia even risk targeting it?
- euroderf 5y ago
  Radiation as collective punishment for Ukraine.
- valyagolev 5y ago
  providing electricity to many cities is kinda strategic i'd say
mrtksn 5y ago
You can actually see military shooting on the premises. Was war considered during the safety design of the NPP?
- Fetiorin 5y ago
  It was on fire (in flames) about 10 minutes ago (according to local news). I just hope for the best.
  - Fetiorin 5y ago
    https://www.segodnya.ua/regions/zaporozhye/ukrainu-zhdet-vtoroy-chernobyl-chto-budet-esli-okkupanty-vzorvut-zaporozhskuyu-aes-1606737.html https://www.segodnya.ua/regions/zaporozhye/ukrainu-zhdet-vto... Says the NPP has some defenses from air attacks. So it may be war-proof after all.
    - emteycz 5y ago
      I would be very surprised if it wasn't warproof. Soviets planned for it, they were preparing the entire population for it even in the satellite states.
terafo 5y ago
Ukrainian government warned that this would be the case. Russia should be stopped. They are dangerous, everyone will suffer consequences if they are not stopped.
- Comevius 5y ago
  I fear their incompetence almost more than their malevolence. This is dangerous, but they cannot be stopped. This situation will just keep escalating unfortunately.
  - valyagolev 5y ago
    it's not even incompetence as much as a disregard for costs and consequences. prisoner dilemma doesn't work if one of the players' evaluation function is broken
valyagolev 5y ago
sorry for posting someone's random FB posts in a foreign language (he is an ukrainian and pro-ukraine, but writes in russian), but I'm in dire need of any calming words so - take it or leave it - https://www.facebook.com/100000645568776/posts/5079227385442063 https://www.facebook.com/100000645568776/posts/5079227385442... among other things, he said, three days ago, that even artillery won't blow it up unless they would shoot at it directly for a very long time, due to some kind of powerful hermetic containment building
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- lmilcin 5y ago
  Nuclear reactors require active cooling after shutdown, containment buildings are only temporary. Ever heard of Fukushima?
terafo 5y ago
Firefighters are being shot at, according to the spokesman of NPP.
bluehorseray 5y ago
Interesting, largest nuclear power plant in Europe and 4th largest in the world. You can see a lot of the cars alarms are going off, I wonder what set them off.
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- terafo 5y ago
  Maybe explosions?
stubish 5y ago
Ukraine is an electricity exporter according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_electricity_exports https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_electrici.... Is targeting electricity production a de-facto attack on EU infrastructure? Would taking out Ukraine's electricity generation increase its dependence on Russia (who could sell it), and significantly increase the EU's dependence on Russian gas?
- yucky 5y ago
  Ukraine isn't in the EU. Using this argument would mean the US blowing up oil infrastructure in the Middle East was also an attack on EU infrastructure.
Markoff 5y ago
nice thread (this account is good to follow) disproving Ukrainiang propaganda, Western media saying Russians attacked nuclear power plant and put it on fire, while Russians entered without any shooting and then were shot at by Ukrainians causing fire in administrative building, so much for relying on Western media making money on causing panic and spreading misinformation https://twitter.com/ASBMilitary/status/1499531572055318529 https://twitter.com/ASBMilitary/status/1499531572055318529

47 points by Fetiorin 5y ago

Fetiorin 5y ago

One of the biggest nuclear power plants in Europe is under fire

terafo 5y ago
The biggest one.
yucky 5y ago
I wonder if Germany will reconsider their anti-nuclear power stance...

the_duke 5y ago

A live stream of combat between two major countries, in the middle of Europe, right next to the biggest nuclear power plant in Europe, and it's on fire. And we all thought the COVID experience was surreal...

ianai 5y ago

Dupe https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30549116 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30549116

Trasmatta 5y ago

Is this a strategic location? Why would Russia even risk targeting it?

euroderf 5y ago
Radiation as collective punishment for Ukraine.
valyagolev 5y ago
providing electricity to many cities is kinda strategic i'd say

mrtksn 5y ago

You can actually see military shooting on the premises. Was war considered during the safety design of the NPP?

Fetiorin 5y ago
It was on fire (in flames) about 10 minutes ago (according to local news). I just hope for the best.
- Fetiorin 5y ago
  https://www.segodnya.ua/regions/zaporozhye/ukrainu-zhdet-vtoroy-chernobyl-chto-budet-esli-okkupanty-vzorvut-zaporozhskuyu-aes-1606737.html https://www.segodnya.ua/regions/zaporozhye/ukrainu-zhdet-vto... Says the NPP has some defenses from air attacks. So it may be war-proof after all.
  - emteycz 5y ago
    I would be very surprised if it wasn't warproof. Soviets planned for it, they were preparing the entire population for it even in the satellite states.

terafo 5y ago

Ukrainian government warned that this would be the case. Russia should be stopped. They are dangerous, everyone will suffer consequences if they are not stopped.

Comevius 5y ago
I fear their incompetence almost more than their malevolence. This is dangerous, but they cannot be stopped. This situation will just keep escalating unfortunately.
- valyagolev 5y ago
  it's not even incompetence as much as a disregard for costs and consequences. prisoner dilemma doesn't work if one of the players' evaluation function is broken

valyagolev 5y ago

sorry for posting someone's random FB posts in a foreign language (he is an ukrainian and pro-ukraine, but writes in russian), but I'm in dire need of any calming words so - take it or leave it - https://www.facebook.com/100000645568776/posts/5079227385442063 https://www.facebook.com/100000645568776/posts/5079227385442... among other things, he said, three days ago, that even artillery won't blow it up unless they would shoot at it directly for a very long time, due to some kind of powerful hermetic containment building

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lmilcin 5y ago
Nuclear reactors require active cooling after shutdown, containment buildings are only temporary. Ever heard of Fukushima?

terafo 5y ago

Firefighters are being shot at, according to the spokesman of NPP.

bluehorseray 5y ago

Interesting, largest nuclear power plant in Europe and 4th largest in the world. You can see a lot of the cars alarms are going off, I wonder what set them off.

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terafo 5y ago
Maybe explosions?

stubish 5y ago

Ukraine is an electricity exporter according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_electricity_exports https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_electrici.... Is targeting electricity production a de-facto attack on EU infrastructure? Would taking out Ukraine's electricity generation increase its dependence on Russia (who could sell it), and significantly increase the EU's dependence on Russian gas?

yucky 5y ago
Ukraine isn't in the EU. Using this argument would mean the US blowing up oil infrastructure in the Middle East was also an attack on EU infrastructure.

Markoff 5y ago

nice thread (this account is good to follow) disproving Ukrainiang propaganda, Western media saying Russians attacked nuclear power plant and put it on fire, while Russians entered without any shooting and then were shot at by Ukrainians causing fire in administrative building, so much for relying on Western media making money on causing panic and spreading misinformation https://twitter.com/ASBMilitary/status/1499531572055318529 https://twitter.com/ASBMilitary/status/1499531572055318529