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Mandates? "Since last June, Google has approved nearly 14,000 employees globally to transfer to a new location or go fully remote, Casey said. About 15% of app
by jefb 5y ago
Mandates?
"Since last June, Google has approved nearly 14,000 employees globally to transfer to a new location or go fully remote, Casey said. About 15% of applications have been denied, he added."
"Employees not prepared to return April 4 also can seek a remote-work extension, Google said."
- penjelly 5y agoi see your point but the language used actually suggests theyll be bringing people back in the future, even if they allow them to work remote now. "employees not prepared to return"? "remote work extension"? and transfers?
- UncleMeat 5y agoMy job location literally says US-REMOTE-MY_STATE. I signed a new contract and everything. Yes, this could change if the CEO decides to ban remote work but there is no evidence that this would happen any time soon. "Big mean Google does mean thing" is an attractive headline for media outlets.
- w1nk 5y agoYou mean the language used by the website that gets paid for you to click on it?
- paxys 5y agoA mandate which allows temporary exceptions is still a mandate.
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- advisedwang 5y agoIf you apply to go fully remote, that's not temporary.
- hinkley 5y agoWho approved that application? Your old manager?
- paxys 5y agoOnly 20% of Google staff even has that option, and not all of them get approved. The vast majority will not be able to work remotely.
- ehsankia 5y ago> Only 20% of Google staff even has that option Around 15-20% have gone remote, are you claiming that 100% of the people who had the option have taken it? Are you including TVCs?
- UncleMeat 5y agoI'm not aware of any engineering org that bans it, except smaller groups within orgs that are working on hardware. Where is your 20% number coming from?
- Sebguer 5y agoWell, you can probably start with the fact that the person you're replying to never said 20% of engineers.
- UncleMeat 5y agoI know. But SWEs and SREs account for way more than 20% of employees, so even if you just look at them the "only 20%" figure is clearly wrong.
- joshuamorton 5y agoEngineering is well over 20% of Google staff, so the point stands, and isn't the only org to allow remote work.
- opportune 5y agoThose aren’t temporary exceptions. Fully remote in this context means you don’t have an assigned desk in any Google office and thus aren’t subject to any mandate about returning to offices when a particular office opens back up
- qntty 5y agoI guess like most companies, return to office means show your hand see if you have enough power to convince them otherwise.
- ramesh31 5y agoMade my move to permanent remote last Fall, when it was becoming pretty clear that return to office was on the horizon. Sure enough, we're going back company wide starting this week. Really glad I did it while I could. I will never go back to a 9-5 daily commute ever again.
- d0gsg0w00f 5y agoI would hesitate to make such sweeping statements. As work returns to the office my prediction is that you'll end up with pockets of high functioning teams that are physically colocated and distributed teams will inevitably be at a disadvantage which will lead to them being relegated to "tolerate" despite the talent on those teams. It's not to say that distributed teams can't be high funtioning it just takes 3x the effort from a management perspective. Good management is in even higher demand than SWE skills. A good manager will gravitate towards teams that are colocated because they know they can be more effective for less effort. To level the playing field it has to be all colocated or all remote. Talent currently holds the cards because of demand but talent+colocation will always win in a contest.
- Amasuriel 5y agoI would like to point out that you also appear to be making sweeping statements. I don’t agree with you that colocated teams have an inherent advantage, or that they require more management to be productive than a remote team on average.
- Wiseacre 5y agoI imagine over time the permanent employees will be "managed out".
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- edm0nd 5y agoThat doesnt make for good clickbait tho
- klyrs 5y agoHeadlines lack nuance, news at 11. But, since the quote lumps relocations in with remote work, it's hard to say how applicable it is to the headline.
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- johnnyo 5y agoThat’s 10% of the employee base. If half of those transferred locations, that means 95% are coming back to the office.