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Well, they do want Taiwan back.

ukraineally 5y ago
>Well, they do want Taiwan back. Back? They currently own it. No country in the world recognizes them as their own country. They are not in the United Nations. They have no alliances. If Taiwan declares independence and is recognized... and China invades to stop this. Who can even stop China if they decide to take them? Nobody is coming to their aid. This is a super silly thing to say.
- lenkite 5y ago
  Yeah, they raised the alarm about Covid and the WHO just flat-out ignored them at China's behest.
- monkeynotes 5y ago
  Republic of China (Aka Taiwan) is not the same thing as The People's Republic of China (Aka China). And pardon me for talking about Taiwan as being sovereign, which it actually is, but I recognise it's a little more complex than that: https://international.thenewslens.com/feature/taiwan-for-sale-2020/128242 https://international.thenewslens.com/feature/taiwan-for-sal... Anyway, you are more wrong that I am.
- simonh 5y ago
  I don't think it makes any sense to say China 'owns' Taiwan. For all the formalisms you list, PRC exerts no controlling influence over life in Taiwan whatsoever. It has a free market economy, free elections, free media and makes it's own trade and political agreements internationally. These are the things that really matter.
  - dirtyid 5y ago
    >These are the things that really matter. And in event of PRC attempting to reunify TW, formalism will categorize that as a civil war, not an international one where sovereignty is violated like current RU/UKR conflict. As far as I know, PRC doesn't need UNSC approval to finish an civil war, it's already dejure a legal ongoing war. Plus there's all sorts ambiguity on 3rd parties aiding UKR with lethal aid right now, but aiding TW will be declaration of war with PRC. These are the things that really matter politically when bombs start exploding. I suppose it makes more sense to say PRC owns "China" including TW in the same way it makes sense to say TW owns "China" including mainland.

>Well, they do want Taiwan back. Back? They currently own it. No country in the world recognizes them as their own country. They are not in the United Nations. They have no alliances. If Taiwan declares independence and is recognized... and China invades to stop this. Who can even stop China if they decide to take them? Nobody is coming to their aid. This is a super silly thing to say.

lenkite 5y ago
Yeah, they raised the alarm about Covid and the WHO just flat-out ignored them at China's behest.
monkeynotes 5y ago
Republic of China (Aka Taiwan) is not the same thing as The People's Republic of China (Aka China). And pardon me for talking about Taiwan as being sovereign, which it actually is, but I recognise it's a little more complex than that: https://international.thenewslens.com/feature/taiwan-for-sale-2020/128242 https://international.thenewslens.com/feature/taiwan-for-sal... Anyway, you are more wrong that I am.
simonh 5y ago
I don't think it makes any sense to say China 'owns' Taiwan. For all the formalisms you list, PRC exerts no controlling influence over life in Taiwan whatsoever. It has a free market economy, free elections, free media and makes it's own trade and political agreements internationally. These are the things that really matter.
- dirtyid 5y ago
  >These are the things that really matter. And in event of PRC attempting to reunify TW, formalism will categorize that as a civil war, not an international one where sovereignty is violated like current RU/UKR conflict. As far as I know, PRC doesn't need UNSC approval to finish an civil war, it's already dejure a legal ongoing war. Plus there's all sorts ambiguity on 3rd parties aiding UKR with lethal aid right now, but aiding TW will be declaration of war with PRC. These are the things that really matter politically when bombs start exploding. I suppose it makes more sense to say PRC owns "China" including TW in the same way it makes sense to say TW owns "China" including mainland.